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« Reply #3500 on: March 08, 2018, 08:00:21 AM »

Die Linke could become the strongest party in any state election for the first time:
In Berlin, they would receive 20% right now

So better than they achieved in 2016 and despite being in government? Their support dropped like a stone the last time, I wonder what the difference is now.

Their leader Klaus Lederer is quite popular and Michael Mueller is extremely boring
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« Reply #3501 on: March 08, 2018, 08:33:54 AM »

Die Linke could become the strongest party in any state election for the first time:
In Berlin, they would receive 20% right now

So better than they achieved in 2016 and despite being in government? Their support dropped like a stone the last time, I wonder what the difference is now.

Their leader Klaus Lederer is quite popular and Michael Mueller is extremely boring

That would be the first time a Land has been governed by two gay politicians.

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« Reply #3502 on: March 08, 2018, 08:45:38 AM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

I was absolutely flabbergasted when I heard the news. In what extent is Maas qualified for the Foreign Office? Why don't Barley and Giffey switch offices? Why did Hendricks get kicked out?
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« Reply #3503 on: March 08, 2018, 01:19:25 PM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

I was absolutely flabbergasted when I heard the news. In what extent is Maas qualified for the Foreign Office? Why don't Barley and Giffey switch offices? Why did Hendricks get kicked out?

I am quite amazed too. I have no idea so far why Maas was choosen for foreign minister. Giffey is to inexperienced to become labour minister which is one of the most important ministries. And I know for a fact that Hendricks wanted to stay on but I believe she doesn't have enough of a power base in NRW. And she is from the rightwing of the party which is seen as having recieved enough posts already.
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« Reply #3504 on: March 08, 2018, 01:22:55 PM »

What is SPD even doing anymore?  Are they trying to collapse or something?
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« Reply #3505 on: March 08, 2018, 03:47:22 PM »

Disgraceful that my party has taken out the best man in the cabinet. Sigmar Gabriel is an excellent and very talented politican and was doing a great job at the Foreign Ministry. Very smart guy (met him three times). RIP FF.
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« Reply #3506 on: March 08, 2018, 03:50:45 PM »

Disgraceful that my party has taken out the best man in the cabinet. Sigmar Gabriel is an excellent and very talented politican and was doing a great job at the Foreign Ministry. Very smart guy (met him three times). RIP FF.
Nahles knived him. If it weren't for her, he probably would have kept the job.
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« Reply #3507 on: March 08, 2018, 03:52:48 PM »

Disgraceful that my party has taken out the best man in the cabinet. Sigmar Gabriel is an excellent and very talented politician and was doing a great job at the Foreign Ministry. Very smart guy (met him three times). RIP FF.
Nahles knived him. If it weren't for her, he probably would have kept the job.

Very likely since they were at odds for a long time. But there are several people in the party leadership who dislike him for his unpredictability.
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« Reply #3508 on: March 09, 2018, 03:00:18 AM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

Hubertus Heil is to become Labor Minister.
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« Reply #3509 on: March 09, 2018, 06:11:27 AM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

Hubertus Heil is to become Labor Minister.

And Barley Justice.

That makes more sense imo. Heil is vital for Stephan Weil's political support in Lower Saxony which Miersch isn't. And Heil needed Sigmar out of the way because both are from the SPD district of Brunswick.

Still can't understand why Maas became foreign minister though.
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« Reply #3510 on: March 09, 2018, 12:16:57 PM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

Hubertus Heil is to become Labor Minister.

And Barley Justice.

That makes more sense imo. Heil is vital for Stephan Weil's political support in Lower Saxony which Miersch isn't. And Heil needed Sigmar out of the way because both are from the SPD district of Brunswick.

Still can't understand why Maas became foreign minister though.

Maybe the SPD wants to establish him as the new chancellery candidate.
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« Reply #3511 on: March 10, 2018, 07:08:37 AM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

Hubertus Heil is to become Labor Minister.

And Barley Justice.

That makes more sense imo. Heil is vital for Stephan Weil's political support in Lower Saxony which Miersch isn't. And Heil needed Sigmar out of the way because both are from the SPD district of Brunswick.

Still can't understand why Maas became foreign minister though.

Maybe the SPD wants to establish him as the new chancellery candidate.

Maas is unlikely. I think it'll be either Scholz or Nahles, depending who is polling better in the fall of 2020 or who the base votes for.

Fun fact: If Scholz is to become the next chancellor candidate, all SPD nominees since 1994 have a surname starting with "S". Scharping, Schröder, Steinmeier, Steinbrück, Schulz and Scholz. LOL. In addition, there are Kurt Schumacher and Helmut Schmidt.
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« Reply #3512 on: March 10, 2018, 07:14:08 AM »

The SPD ministers are apparently:

Foreign: Heiko Maas
Finances: Olaf Scholz
Environment: Svenja Schulze
Justice: Matthias Miersch
Labour: Katharina Barley
Family: Franziska Giffey

Take with a grain of salt though, my source is not 100% certain.

Hubertus Heil is to become Labor Minister.

And Barley Justice.

That makes more sense imo. Heil is vital for Stephan Weil's political support in Lower Saxony which Miersch isn't. And Heil needed Sigmar out of the way because both are from the SPD district of Brunswick.

Still can't understand why Maas became foreign minister though.

Maybe the SPD wants to establish him as the new chancellery candidate.

Maas is unlikely. I think it'll be either Scholz or Nahles, depending who is polling better in the fall of 2020 or who the base votes for.

Fun fact: If Scholz is to become the next chancellor candidate, all SPD nominees since 1994 have a surname starting with "S". Scharping, Schröder, Steinmeier, Steinbrück, Schulz and Scholz. LOL. In addition, there are Kurt Schumacher and Helmut Schmidt.
Schmidt Schumacher Scharping Schröder Steinmeier Steinbrück Schulz Scholzdemokratische Partei Deutschlands
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« Reply #3513 on: March 12, 2018, 07:12:05 AM »

The three party leaders - Angela Merkel (CDU), Horst Seehofer (CSU) and Olaf Scholz (SPD, acting) - have signed the coalition agreement and are holding a news conference right now.
Don't they look happy and satisfied?



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« Reply #3514 on: March 12, 2018, 07:13:22 AM »

anything interesting about environment/energy in the agreement?
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« Reply #3515 on: March 12, 2018, 07:24:01 AM »
« Edited: March 12, 2018, 07:30:42 AM by Ἅιδης »

anything interesting about environment/energy in the agreement?

Yes. They have completely abandoned the once set target of reducing the greenhouse gas emissions by 40% compared against 1990 by 2020.

Furthermore, they want to increase the share of renewable energy in the total energy consumption to 65% by 2030.
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« Reply #3516 on: March 12, 2018, 07:31:14 AM »

in all fairness, they'd de facto given up that target for a while Sad

what about the coal transition? They going to continue sticking their head in the sand rather than prepare a soft landing for workers?
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« Reply #3517 on: March 12, 2018, 07:40:50 AM »

in all fairness, they'd de facto given up that target for a while Sad

what about the coal transition? They going to continue sticking their head in the sand rather than prepare a soft landing for workers?

There are only two active black coal mines left, both in North Rhine-Westphalia. They will both be shut down in 2018, when the federal coal subsidies expire.
In East Germany, there are several lignite mines, which will be maintained beyond.
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« Reply #3518 on: March 13, 2018, 02:08:13 PM »

Something remarkable happened. But watch yourself:

New INSA poll:
CDU/CSU 32% (-1)
SPD 17.5% (+2.5)
AfD 15% (+-0)
Linke 12% (+-0)
Grüne 11% (-1)
FDP 9.5% (-0.5)
Others 3% (+-0)

After decreasing or stagnating 14 times in a row, SPD has moved up by 2.5%.
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« Reply #3519 on: March 14, 2018, 03:50:47 AM »

Guess that last week's increase in SPD support after the decisive 'yes' to GroKo was so substantial that even INSA couldn't continue with their "sinking Sozis" narrative anymore.

Anyway, one of the most positive polling numbers recently was Emnid's weekly poll on Saturday that had SPD up 3 points and AfD down 2 at the same time. Both now close to their election result again. So voters' reaction seems to support SPD's government participation.
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« Reply #3520 on: March 14, 2018, 04:32:48 AM »

Angela Merkel is elected Chancellor in the first round of voting in Bundestag today. She got 364 votes, which is more than the required majority 355 of 709 seats, but less than the 399 seats that Union and SPD have together.

More exactly, even though there's 709 members in the Bundestag, only 692 actually voted today. Of those votes 4 were declared invalid, so Merkel received 364 of the 688 valid votes. There were 9 blanks and 315 against.

Technically that means 35 SPD or Union members didn't vote for the government, which is quite a lot as the GroKo doesn't have too big a majority in this Bundestag. (Theoretically it's of course also possible that some Green or FDP members could have voted for Merkel, in which case there would be even more SPD/Union dissenters). There will certainly be a lot of speculation about which politicians didn't vote 'yes' and how those are going to behave from now on.

However it's also worth remembering that the previous grand coalitions in Germany have never received unanimous support of their parliament groups in the chancellor vote either, yet despite this initial reluctance, they all have been able to stand the full period until the next regular election. So this isn't necessarily an issue going forward.
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« Reply #3521 on: March 15, 2018, 06:06:59 PM »

Guess that last week's increase in SPD support after the decisive 'yes' to GroKo was so substantial that even INSA couldn't continue with their "sinking Sozis" narrative anymore.

Anyway, one of the most positive polling numbers recently was Emnid's weekly poll on Saturday that had SPD up 3 points and AfD down 2 at the same time. Both now close to their election result again. So voters' reaction seems to support SPD's government participation.

I'm not surprised. I kept wondering why people thought SPD would be crucified for re-joining the government they just left, and I didn't quite buy the answer that they campaigned as an independent party - well, yes, but their voters must have known they were voting for a long-term partner of the CDU, and why were the losses going to Gruene coalitionistas?
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« Reply #3522 on: March 26, 2018, 05:09:39 PM »

Because Schulz had ruled out another Grand Coalition right on September 24, and the rest of the leadership had (reluctantly) joined in. The Greens, on the other hand, had always declared their willingness to negotiate with all parties except AfD.
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« Reply #3523 on: March 26, 2018, 05:17:00 PM »

If the articles I read on the future GroKo cabinet are correct, there will be zero ministers from the former GDR (except for Merkel herself, obviously). Given the current situation in the East, isn't this a problem?
It is. Though appointing "random" Easterners would not help much against the AfD tide...they would need someone who was just a little critical of the current immigration policy, too.

With Giffey, they found someone who fits that profile nicely.
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« Reply #3524 on: April 22, 2018, 02:29:22 PM »

Andrea Nahles was unsurprisingly elected SPD chairwoman. She received 414 (66.3%) out of 624 valid delegate votes. Insurgent Simone Lange received 172 votes (27.6%). There were 38 abstentions (6.1%) and 7 invalid votes.

Not a very great result for Nahles who had the backing of the complete party establishment, but expected given the discontent in the party.
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