German Elections & Politics

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are there any polls for baden-württemberg's next landtag elections yet?

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http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/landtage/baden-wuerttemberg.htm

thanks!

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piraten	77,8 %
die linke	76,7 %
die partei	75,6 %
die grünen	67,8 %
spd	66,7 %
rentner	64,4 %
neue liberale	63,3 %
ödp	63,3 %
cdu	61,1 %
hhbl	54,4 %
fdp	52,2 %
afd	33,3 %
npd	31,1 %

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so basically the instant someone founded a new party to capitalise on the failure of the fdp, it started its resurgence. poor new liberals.

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my prediction:

spd 46%
cdu 19%
grüne 13%
linke 7%
afd 5% (above)
fdp 5% (below)
others 5%

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so basically AfD becomes the new NPD? (more than it already was, i mean)

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so basically AfD becomes the new NPD? (more than it already was, i mean)

No.

care to explain?

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(bw)

90.9% die linke
89.8% dkp
83.0% tierschutzpartei
80.7% piraten
79.5% grüne
77.3% tierschutzallianz
76.1% spd
73.9% menschliche welt
68.2% ödp
60.2% die partei
54.5% büso
46.6% freie wähler
43.2% bündnis c
38.6% fdp
31.8% afd
30.7% alfa
30.7% die rechte
29.5% cdu
26.1% npd
20.5% rep

i was strongly leaning toward voting for die linke anyway, so…

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Pretty remarkable that the NPD is down from 4,6% (in 2011) to 1% in a time when one would expect them to thrive. Whether you agree with the AfD or not, we can probably all agree that it is a good thing that they are able to attract such voters and weaken the electoral position of the literal nazis.

oh, quite the opposite. it is unambiguously a bad thing that the afd is granting them legitimacy.

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this is like weimar without a left. fck everything.

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   Why did the Greens collapse so bad in RP?

likely tactical voting because it was obvious the real question is whether spd or cdu leads the grand coälition

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man my district (bruchsal) really sticks out like a sore thumb

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is stuttgart i the only district where die linke finished ahead of afd?

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INSA :

tsssss… the chaos if black-red doesn't reach a national majority (which this poll claims we are two points away from!) will not be pleasant.

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the afd continues the ancient right-wing tradition of claiming the people they're constantly slandering and inciting violence against are just too emotional

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Don't see what the problem is. The leader of the German Muslim Council thinks he's entitled to change the AfD program as he sees fit and simultaneously link the party to Hitler and the Holocaust. There really is no basis for discussion there.

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INSA :

tsssss… the chaos if black-red doesn't reach a national majority (which this poll claims we are two points away from!) will not be pleasant.

30.5+19.5=50%, no?

That said, Go FDP!

yes. a two-percent shift from 50/46 would make it 48/48

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Don't see what the problem is. The leader of the German Muslim Council thinks he's entitled to change the AfD program as he sees fit and simultaneously link the party to Hitler and the Holocaust. There really is no basis for discussion there.

Well, everyone is entitled to say the truth. Sorry if that triggers you.

I know the words "fascist" and "Nazi" are thrown around by the left like they're going out of business but it would suit you and your ilk well to take a step back and look at what you are actually saying when you're accusing the AfD of being a Third Reich party. You are implying that the AfD advocates or would at least tacitly support the murder/forced deportation of 4 million Muslims in Germany. Think about that for a moment. That is a ridiculous charge. As a matter of fact I think anyone making such a claim should get their ass sued for libel. The AfD is right to take such an uncompromising stance on the issue. It's time to stop the casual accusation of perfectly decent people as Nazis.

when the platform says "islam does not belong to germany", what exactly do you think that entails?

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Don't see what the problem is. The leader of the German Muslim Council thinks he's entitled to change the AfD program as he sees fit and simultaneously link the party to Hitler and the Holocaust. There really is no basis for discussion there.

Well, everyone is entitled to say the truth. Sorry if that triggers you.

I know the words "fascist" and "Nazi" are thrown around by the left like they're going out of business but it would suit you and your ilk well to take a step back and look at what you are actually saying when you're accusing the AfD of being a Third Reich party. You are implying that the AfD advocates or would at least tacitly support the murder/forced deportation of 4 million Muslims in Germany. Think about that for a moment. That is a ridiculous charge. As a matter of fact I think anyone making such a claim should get their ass sued for libel. The AfD is right to take such an uncompromising stance on the issue. It's time to stop the casual accusation of perfectly decent people as Nazis.

when the platform says "islam does not belong to germany", what exactly do you think that entails?

I'd say there are a variety of different positions that you can take between "Islam is a part of Germany" (as claimed by the former president) and "gas all Muslims." This part of the platform IMO is just a response to the aforementioned claim by various politicians about Islam being a part of Germany. Personally, I think they could have avoided phrasing it like that because some people see it in a vacuum and immediately jump to conclusions instead of recognizing it as the mere counterpoint that it actually is. The inherent problem has always been that the folks who claim that Islam is a part of Germany don't actually expand on that assertion. Is it part of our culture? If yes, what are the Islamic elements of contemporary German culture aside from döner kebab? Or are we just referring to the simple fact that Muslims are living in Germany, hence Islam is a part of Germany just as is the case with Buddhism, Shinto etc.?

So as long as their platform fails to call for the expulsion/murder of Muslims, I'd appreciate if people refrained from comparing the party to the NSDAP.

you are evading the question.
1) doesn't "islam does not belong to germany" logically imply support of a germany without islam, and why/why not?
2) if so, how do you (or the afd) propose to reach such a state?
clear and straightforward answers, please.

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those nrw numbers would instantly kill schulz.

and cologne means that there is no more "moderate" afd wing.

Well, they're gonna be the sole party with a homosexual spitzenkandidat. Doesn't that count for something?

i thought y'alls were against ~identity politics~?

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If the purpose of a country is to be the national homeland for a particular ethnic group

that's a big assumption to make