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« Reply #1375 on: August 24, 2014, 02:43:38 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).
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« Reply #1376 on: August 24, 2014, 02:53:06 pm »

You go to Sciences Po?! I did not know that!

Really? I think I mentioned it quite a few times throughout the past few years.
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« Reply #1377 on: August 24, 2014, 03:04:27 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).

I guess it's because we basically had no universities apart from those in the northeast up until the mid/late 18th century. Land was cheap and abundant out in rural areas, which made that an attractive alternative to locating a university in a major city. And a lot of our state universities were established to train farmers and do agricultural research, so they would obviously be located in small towns or rural areas.
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« Reply #1378 on: August 24, 2014, 03:16:49 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).

Is it really that uncommon in Europe? What do students who don't live near a decent school that suits them do?
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« Reply #1379 on: August 24, 2014, 03:18:25 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).

How else would you do it, unless you happen to live near a decent school that suits you?

You generally buy an apartment in the city where the university is located. Or you accept to have a 1-hour commute time, as I did. Wink
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« Reply #1380 on: August 24, 2014, 03:22:58 pm »

My friend studied abroad in Copenhagen and he lived in a dorm with Danish students. They had a bar in the basement.
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« Reply #1381 on: August 24, 2014, 03:27:35 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).

How else would you do it, unless you happen to live near a decent school that suits you?

You generally buy an apartment in the city where the university is located. Or you accept to have a 1-hour commute time, as I did. Wink

That's what I had assumed. But, Christ, an hour? I thought didn't tolerate that nonsense over there.
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« Reply #1382 on: August 24, 2014, 03:58:18 pm »
« Edited: August 24, 2014, 04:00:55 pm by Хahar »

Oh yes, and I fully expect the 'racist' accusations to pop up any minute now.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic at all here, but if your roommate is black, please say it directly. There's nothing wrong with pointing it out; black people and white people are different culturally. On the other hand, it is wrong to use racially coded language to imply that he's black ("gangsta", "hood"), so don't do that. If he's not black, then it just sounds odd to use those words.

I take issue with your statement that "black people and white people are different culturally."  That's a broad generalization.  Yes, he happens to be black.  Yes, he happens to enjoy rap and hip hop.  We'd be just as different from each other if he were white or I were black.  And for the record, I would've used the same language despite his race -- it doesn't sound odd to me if used in that context, personally.

No, you would not ever describe a white neighborhood as a "hood". Don't lie. I made an effort to assume good faith, but it's clear that you don't even understand what the problem is.

None of us are perfect in the language that we use, but thoughtful people pay attention when they use offensive language and agree not to use offensive language in the future. Don't pretend that what you said wasn't racist. You clearly anticipated the fact that people would call you out on it:

Oh yes, and I fully expect the 'racist' accusations to pop up any minute now.

Maybe instead of being preemptively defensive about the racist things you said, you could try not saying racist things. If for whatever reason you can't understand why it's not okay to describe black people or their communities with the terms "gangsta" or "hood", then don't worry about it. You don't need to understand if it's too difficult. Just don't use those words.
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« Reply #1383 on: August 24, 2014, 03:58:49 pm »

The whole idea of moving away to live in a dorm for college seems to be largely an American phenomenon, yes (Canada too?).

How else would you do it, unless you happen to live near a decent school that suits you?

You generally buy an apartment in the city where the university is located. Or you accept to have a 1-hour commute time, as I did. Wink

That's what I had assumed. But, Christ, an hour? I thought didn't tolerate that nonsense over there.

I had a pretty hard time getting used to it, but I eventually did. Over a week, this actually adds up to about 8-10 more hours lost, which is a lot considering that the typical academic class-time is of about 20 hours. On the other hands, having parents around saves me countless more hours (think cooking, etc.). Wink
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« Reply #1384 on: August 24, 2014, 04:23:07 pm »

Black people and white people are different culturally.

This is a silly generalisation. Black people and white people are not homogenous groups; I know you know there may be white people who are "culturally" closer to blacks than other whites and vice versa.
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« Reply #1385 on: August 24, 2014, 04:27:55 pm »

Sorry to change the subject, but I appreciate everyone's support in here. I know she was just a cat, but it's tough. Thanks guys. Smiley
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« Reply #1386 on: August 24, 2014, 04:50:07 pm »

I lost my cat in May of last year. I know how tough this is. I'm sorry for your loss.
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« Reply #1387 on: August 24, 2014, 05:28:07 pm »

Black people and white people are different culturally.

This is a silly generalisation. Black people and white people are not homogenous groups; I know you know there may be white people who are "culturally" closer to blacks than other whites and vice versa.

Yeah, obviously I agree that Scott's words were silly and full of pretty awful implications, these kind of generalizations are VERY problematic themselves. Generally one should avoid sentences like "[insert racial group] are X".
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« Reply #1388 on: August 24, 2014, 06:07:32 pm »
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Oh yes, and I fully expect the 'racist' accusations to pop up any minute now.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic at all here, but if your roommate is black, please say it directly. There's nothing wrong with pointing it out; black people and white people are different culturally. On the other hand, it is wrong to use racially coded language to imply that he's black ("gangsta", "hood"), so don't do that. If he's not black, then it just sounds odd to use those words.

I take issue with your statement that "black people and white people are different culturally."  That's a broad generalization.  Yes, he happens to be black.  Yes, he happens to enjoy rap and hip hop.  We'd be just as different from each other if he were white or I were black.  And for the record, I would've used the same language despite his race -- it doesn't sound odd to me if used in that context, personally.

No, you would not ever describe a white neighborhood as a "hood". Don't lie. I made an effort to assume good faith, but it's clear that you don't even understand what the problem is.

None of us are perfect in the language that we use, but thoughtful people pay attention when they use offensive language and agree not to use offensive language in the future. Don't pretend that what you said wasn't racist. You clearly anticipated the fact that people would call you out on it:

Oh yes, and I fully expect the 'racist' accusations to pop up any minute now.

Maybe instead of being preemptively defensive about the racist things you said, you could try not saying racist things. If for whatever reason you can't understand why it's not okay to describe black people or their communities with the terms "gangsta" or "hood", then don't worry about it. You don't need to understand if it's too difficult. Just don't use those words.

And here you continue to operate under the assumption that the objective of my comments was to illustrate my dorm mate's race rather than his own personality and individual sense of style.  What's truly racist is that you apparently like to project this standard for "white neighborhoods" versus "black neighborhoods" even though nothing in my post inferred anything about that.  Remember, it is you who specifically expressed that "black people and white people are different culturally."  You choose to view society through that set of lens.  I don't.

I would ask you to just stop interjecting race into the conversation in what I see as a pathetic attempt to veil your own racism, but then that would defeat the point of your accusations entirely.  So I'll leave you to wallow in your own delusions and think what ever you want about me until you come to realize the irony in your words.  Sound good?
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« Reply #1389 on: August 24, 2014, 06:30:07 pm »

Black people and white people are different culturally.

This is a silly generalisation. Black people and white people are not homogenous groups; I know you know there may be white people who are "culturally" closer to blacks than other whites and vice versa.

It may be a generalization, but it's not necessarily silly.
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« Reply #1390 on: August 24, 2014, 06:34:00 pm »

Scott's wording was poor, but his point was ignored and twisted in order to make it appear that he is a racist. Yes, you could argue that Scott was being ďinsensitiveĒ, but honestly, who the hell cares at this point? If minor errors in the wording of a sentence is now institutionalized racism in the mind of a certain poster, than he is either hypersensitive or flat out off the reservation.

This form of Social Justice Warriorism (stupid way to phrase it, but I couldnít think of anything better) needs to stop.
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« Reply #1391 on: August 24, 2014, 07:25:29 pm »

Xahar is correct. Scott's feigning of ignorance and then outrage when he was called out about it (complete with "no you're the real racist" nonsense) is pretty gross.
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« Reply #1392 on: August 24, 2014, 07:35:25 pm »

Scott's wording was poor, but his point was ignored and twisted in order to make it appear that he is a racist. Yes, you could argue that Scott was being ďinsensitiveĒ, but honestly, who the hell cares at this point? If minor errors in the wording of a sentence is now institutionalized racism in the mind of a certain poster, than he is either hypersensitive or flat out off the reservation.

This form of Social Justice Warriorism (stupid way to phrase it, but I couldnít think of anything better) needs to stop.

Why can we reliably count on you to always defend this sort of thing?
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« Reply #1393 on: August 24, 2014, 07:42:04 pm »

Scott's wording was poor, but his point was ignored and twisted in order to make it appear that he is a racist. Yes, you could argue that Scott was being ďinsensitiveĒ, but honestly, who the hell cares at this point?

Nobody accused Scott of being racist, only of making a racist statement. I was operating under the assumption that Scott was being offensive by accident and so I was explaining the issue with what he said. If he had acknowledged this and moved on, nobody would have held it against him. That he has doubled down and accused me of being the real racist was entirely his own choice.
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« Reply #1394 on: August 24, 2014, 08:10:51 pm »

I do so enjoy it when a black Republican accuses people of being racist.
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« Reply #1395 on: August 24, 2014, 08:18:52 pm »

Speaking of racism, I need to find some new friends who are not racist. I'm so terrible at making new friends though.
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« Reply #1396 on: August 24, 2014, 08:23:01 pm »

Speaking of racism, I need to find some new friends who are not racist. I'm so terrible at making new friends though.

Well, election maps won't help you make new friends.
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« Reply #1397 on: August 24, 2014, 10:14:41 pm »

How many pictures of Jesus are we talking about here? Do you have an icon corner? No worries about graven images?
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« Reply #1398 on: August 25, 2014, 12:21:04 am »

I've already told a few people this privately but I've hesitated to tell the forum at large. I'm finally going the distance and going through a gender-presentation transition. (I'd use a less queer-theory-ese term for this but as it turns out none are really accurate.)

I understand if some of the more socon posters with whom I'm friendly aren't entirely comfortable with or accepting of this but I'd like to ask that they do the courtesy of not giving me grief over it. If anybody else gives me grief over it, I'll treat it as personal attack and use the report function accordingly.

Sounds like you are dealing with a lot of change in your life with this and starting grad school at the same time.  Hope it goes well for you.
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« Reply #1399 on: August 25, 2014, 01:19:27 am »

Leaving for Massachusetts in less than 24 hours

Where are you going to college?

Brandeis University. Just moved in.
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