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« Reply #1250 on: January 07, 2018, 02:44:13 pm »

Centre-right coalition formalized



Is Ncl going to be part of the Center-right coalition since I do not seem them represented in this picture ?
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« Reply #1251 on: January 07, 2018, 04:48:36 pm »

Centre-right coalition formalized



Is Ncl going to be part of the Center-right coalition since I do not seem them represented in this picture ?
NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.
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« Reply #1252 on: January 07, 2018, 06:59:24 pm »

NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.

I was not talking about NCD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Centre-Right

Instead I was referring to Ncl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_with_Italy

My understanding was that Ncl will be part of the FI LN Fdl alliance.  Not sure if that took place ?
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« Reply #1253 on: January 08, 2018, 04:55:57 am »

NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.

I was not talking about NCD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Centre-Right

Instead I was referring to Ncl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_with_Italy

My understanding was that Ncl will be part of the FI LN Fdl alliance.  Not sure if that took place ?
Oh, ok. Yes, they are the "Quarto Polo" I was referring to.
Anyway, nobody here refers to these new parties with their acronyms, hence the confusion (also because presumably they will disappear the day after the elections).
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« Reply #1254 on: January 08, 2018, 09:07:50 pm »



Can you link to more detailed versions if they exist? Wouldn't mind doing a larger one with insets for urban areas if possible...

No unfortunately. I have just this link for the constituencies of the chamber of deputies
http://documenti.camera.it/Leg17/Dossier/Pdf/AC0760A.Pdf


Oh but this is perfect actually! A Map will appear at some point before the election.
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« Reply #1255 on: January 08, 2018, 09:11:46 pm »

I remember those! I'd love to see 1996 some day.

Certainly tempting - I had to pause the general project because o/c there were too many big active elections ongoing last year to concentrate on historical maps and I can only do these things in my spare time now. What I'll probably do - I have something relating to the last British GE to finish first - is do a PSI map for my own personal amusement, and then have a go at some for '96.
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« Reply #1256 on: January 08, 2018, 10:30:15 pm »

I remember those! I'd love to see 1996 some day.

Certainly tempting - I had to pause the general project because o/c there were too many big active elections ongoing last year to concentrate on historical maps and I can only do these things in my spare time now. What I'll probably do - I have something relating to the last British GE to finish first - is do a PSI map for my own personal amusement, and then have a go at some for '96.

Wonderful news! Cheesy
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« Reply #1257 on: January 15, 2018, 04:24:39 am »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/
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« Reply #1258 on: January 15, 2018, 01:11:27 pm »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/


It won't be for free, though.
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« Reply #1259 on: January 17, 2018, 04:29:18 am »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/


It won't be for free, though.

The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...
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« Reply #1260 on: January 17, 2018, 04:48:30 am »


The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...

significa che stanno fuori di testa? anche in inglese?

sorry for my use of the italian
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« Reply #1261 on: January 17, 2018, 09:33:44 am »


The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...

significa che stanno fuori di testa? anche in inglese?

sorry for my use of the italian
Rather than giving them 500 euros I'll develop a mini-model myself during my study breaks!
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« Reply #1262 on: January 20, 2018, 07:29:29 am »

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« Reply #1263 on: January 20, 2018, 03:20:43 pm »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #1264 on: January 23, 2018, 06:40:26 pm »

Here's another website forecasting the possible outcomes for the fptp constituencies: http://www.duetredue.org/
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« Reply #1265 on: January 24, 2018, 02:51:29 pm »

5Stars consider post-election pact with far right

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According to the La Stampa report, Di Maio said he would prefer to join forces with the Free and Equal Party, a leftist breakaway from former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s Democratic Party. “But have you seen the polls?” he said. The 5Stars are polling at about 27 percent, meaning the Free and Equal Party’s 6 percent would not be enough to reach the 40 percent threshold. The Northern League is polling at about 15 percent.

Question for anyone who knows: Does Di Maio lean left, or is he just trying to find a somewhat Eurosceptic group that isn't Legal Nord?

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« Reply #1266 on: January 28, 2018, 12:45:21 am »

Centre-right coalition formalized



I swear to God, if Berlusconi somehow gets back into power I think we need to dissolve Italy as a country and reestablish the Papal States. Haha.

But seriously, how is this guy still taken seriously?
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« Reply #1267 on: January 29, 2018, 04:36:29 pm »

Thanks, Andy Hogan.

Berlusconi was banned from holding office in 2012 by a Milan Court. He cannot re-participate until 2019 (I'm sure this has been brought up/commented on already). I don't believe he can work a miracle and get a reprieve from the European Court of Human Rights by March, or even by year-end. He's not getting back into power. He'll just remain a gray eminence, a Grande Monsieur of the Right.

And yes, the prognostication for Italy's next Prime Minister is trending Right, as most of us have noted. Who will be that masked man?

Frankly, who cares anymore? The country's lost.

Italy will trudge through a procession of middling, feckless prime ministers unable to handle, even nudge, the state's calcified, faceless apparatchiks, who will lord it over Italians for as long as the universe expands. There's no HMS Carpathia in sight. I think it's hopeless.
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« Reply #1268 on: January 29, 2018, 08:31:27 pm »

Actually that's an interesting thing - in an unintended and quite unnoticed way Italian politics has returned to old habits (supposedly banished forever with the fall of the First Republic) in that formal office has become decoupled from political power, with the position of a politician within his/her party often mattering more than any governmental post.
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« Reply #1269 on: January 30, 2018, 03:19:55 pm »

Actually that's an interesting thing - in an unintended and quite unnoticed way Italian politics has returned to old habits (supposedly banished forever with the fall of the First Republic) in that formal office has become decoupled from political power, with the position of a politician within his/her party often mattering more than any governmental post.

It was a pretty obvious consequence of the result of the constitutional referendum.

Back to the First Republic, back to a PR system. It's actually a semi-miracle that there is an uninominal component in the electoral law.
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« Reply #1270 on: January 30, 2018, 04:53:52 pm »


It was a pretty obvious consequence of the result of the constitutional referendum.

Back to the First Republic, back to a PR system. It's actually a semi-miracle that there is an uninominal component in the electoral law.
w/o the FPTP component the electoral law would have been better, and there would be not danger of a new right-wing government
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« Reply #1271 on: February 04, 2018, 02:00:51 am »

Gunman targets African migrants in Italy's Macerata

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Italian police have arrested a gunman suspected of carrying out a drive-by shooting spree that targeted African immigrants.

At least six people were wounded in the central town of Macerata.

The suspect, named locally as Luca Traini, 28, had an Italian flag wrapped around his neck when he was detained.

He had taken part in regional elections for the anti-immigration Northern League last year and reportedly made a fascist salute when he was captured.


Italy votes in national elections on 4 March, with immigration one of the key issues.

Link to teenager's killing ?

Mr Traini, who is from the surrounding Le Marche region, did not resist when he was detained after fleeing from his car near the town's war memorial. He is now being questioned. Police found a gun in his car.

The shooting had begun two hours earlier at about 11:00 local time (10:00 GMT), La Repubblica website reports.

The mayor had warned people to stay indoors during the incident, which saw shootings across a number of locations.

The victims are being treated in hospital. At least one of them is said to be in a serious condition.

Video of the moment the suspect was apprehended was published by local website, Il Resto del Carlino, showing a white bald man draped in an Italian tricolour being escorted away by police.

Italian police also tweeted a photo of the moment of capture, saying one of the wounded had required surgery.

Shots had been fired in the Via Spalato and Via dei Velini parts of town, two key areas in an investigation into the murder of an 18-year-old Italian girl whose body was found dismembered and hidden in two suitcases last Wednesday.

A 29-year-old Nigerian male migrant has been detained over the killing of Pamela Mastropietro.
Several racist comments calling for revenge attacks were posted on the Facebook page of the victim's mother in the run up to Saturday's shootings, Ansa reports.

Local reports are linking the two incidents.


Right-wing politicians have been using Pamela Mastropietro's killing to promote their anti-migrant message as part of their campaign for the general election.

Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni has temporarily suspended campaigning over the shootings.

Opinion polls suggest a centre-right bloc, including the Northern League, Forza Italia and the far-right Brothers of Italy, will win the most seats but not a working majority.

With about 28% support in the opinion polls, the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement is the most popular single party. This suggests there could be tough coalition negotiations, or even another election, after 4 March.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42930749
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« Reply #1272 on: February 04, 2018, 02:16:23 am »

Here is more background on the 18-year old Italian girl that was killed and dismembered by that Nigerian immigrant:



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(ANSA) - Macerata, February 1 - Nigerian national Innocent Oseghale has been charged with the murder of Pamela Mastropietro, an 18-year-old whose dismembered body was found Wednesday in two suitcases dumped in the countryside outside Pollenza near Macerata in Marche, sources said Thursday.

Oseghale, 29, has also been charged with disposing of a body, judicial sources said Thursday.

Oseghale appeared "confused and not very clear" during questioning in which he denied the charges Thursday, judicial sources said. Oseghale continued to deny the charges and tried to accuse two other people who police have cleared, the sources said.

An autopsy on the body failed to establish cause of death Thursday, medical sources said.

The relatives of Mastropietro said Thursday they were "distraught". They said "we hope justice is swiftly done for the author or authors of this atrocious crime: they are ferocious beasts".

Carabinieri forensic police found bloodstained clothes belonging to the victim and other blood traces at the suspect's home, sources said.

They also found a receipt from a nearby pharmacy where the victim had bought a syringe, they added.

The woman had voluntarily left a drug rehab centre at nearby Corridonia on January 29.

Oseghale has a record for drugs offences, police said.

He was pinned down by CCTV footage of the area where the suitcases were dumped, and by a foreign national who said he saw him carrying the suitcases there.

Mastropietro is believed to have been killed on the morning of January 30, police said.

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/02/01/nigerian-charged-with-murdering-dismembered-teen-4_2a33e0f2-0052-4c4c-b1c3-63ff948c0ad3.html
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« Reply #1273 on: February 04, 2018, 05:00:24 pm »

OK, something I have been wondering about - can anyone explain what the... purpose of the minor parties in the Centre-Left coalition are? like, who are pro-europa and why are they standing?
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« Reply #1274 on: February 04, 2018, 05:26:33 pm »

A horrific incident, potentially linked to the murder of Mastropietro?
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