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« Reply #1250 on: January 06, 2018, 01:51:52 pm »



Can you link to more detailed versions if they exist? Wouldn't mind doing a larger one with insets for urban areas if possible...

No unfortunately. I have just this link for the constituencies of the chamber of deputies
http://documenti.camera.it/Leg17/Dossier/Pdf/AC0760A.Pdf
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« Reply #1251 on: January 06, 2018, 02:05:18 pm »

Lol at the particular Lega strength in Northern Lombardy. Many of those voters presumably work in Ticino; which is delightfully fitting, in a way.
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« Reply #1252 on: January 06, 2018, 02:07:31 pm »

I remember those! I'd love to see 1996 some day.
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« Reply #1253 on: January 07, 2018, 02:38:46 pm »

Centre-right coalition formalized

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« Reply #1254 on: January 07, 2018, 02:44:13 pm »

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Is Ncl going to be part of the Center-right coalition since I do not seem them represented in this picture ?
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« Reply #1255 on: January 07, 2018, 04:48:36 pm »

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Is Ncl going to be part of the Center-right coalition since I do not seem them represented in this picture ?
NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.
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« Reply #1256 on: January 07, 2018, 06:59:24 pm »

NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.

I was not talking about NCD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Centre-Right

Instead I was referring to Ncl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_with_Italy

My understanding was that Ncl will be part of the FI LN Fdl alliance.  Not sure if that took place ?
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« Reply #1257 on: January 08, 2018, 04:55:57 am »

NCD doesn't exist anymore.
Alfano won't run, a part went to the center-right coalition in the centrist "Quarto Polo", while others (such as Lorenzin) will be part of the center-left coalition in the "Civica Popolare" list.

I was not talking about NCD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Centre-Right

Instead I was referring to Ncl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_with_Italy

My understanding was that Ncl will be part of the FI LN Fdl alliance.  Not sure if that took place ?
Oh, ok. Yes, they are the "Quarto Polo" I was referring to.
Anyway, nobody here refers to these new parties with their acronyms, hence the confusion (also because presumably they will disappear the day after the elections).
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« Reply #1258 on: January 08, 2018, 09:07:50 pm »



Can you link to more detailed versions if they exist? Wouldn't mind doing a larger one with insets for urban areas if possible...

No unfortunately. I have just this link for the constituencies of the chamber of deputies
http://documenti.camera.it/Leg17/Dossier/Pdf/AC0760A.Pdf


Oh but this is perfect actually! A Map will appear at some point before the election.
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« Reply #1259 on: January 08, 2018, 09:11:46 pm »

I remember those! I'd love to see 1996 some day.

Certainly tempting - I had to pause the general project because o/c there were too many big active elections ongoing last year to concentrate on historical maps and I can only do these things in my spare time now. What I'll probably do - I have something relating to the last British GE to finish first - is do a PSI map for my own personal amusement, and then have a go at some for '96.
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« Reply #1260 on: January 08, 2018, 10:30:15 pm »

I remember those! I'd love to see 1996 some day.

Certainly tempting - I had to pause the general project because o/c there were too many big active elections ongoing last year to concentrate on historical maps and I can only do these things in my spare time now. What I'll probably do - I have something relating to the last British GE to finish first - is do a PSI map for my own personal amusement, and then have a go at some for '96.

Wonderful news! Cheesy
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« Reply #1261 on: January 15, 2018, 04:24:39 am »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/
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« Reply #1262 on: January 15, 2018, 01:11:27 pm »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/


It won't be for free, though.
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« Reply #1263 on: January 17, 2018, 04:29:18 am »

If you want to know more about the electoral law, the constituencies and the possible outcomes there's a specific website where you can register: http://rosatellum.info/


It won't be for free, though.

The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...
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« Reply #1264 on: January 17, 2018, 04:48:30 am »


The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...

significa che stanno fuori di testa? anche in inglese?

sorry for my use of the italian
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« Reply #1265 on: January 17, 2018, 09:33:44 am »


The website is out - 490 euros for a one-year subscription...

significa che stanno fuori di testa? anche in inglese?

sorry for my use of the italian
Rather than giving them 500 euros I'll develop a mini-model myself during my study breaks!
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« Reply #1266 on: January 20, 2018, 07:29:29 am »

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« Reply #1267 on: January 20, 2018, 03:20:43 pm »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #1268 on: January 23, 2018, 06:40:26 pm »

Here's another website forecasting the possible outcomes for the fptp constituencies: http://www.duetredue.org/
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« Reply #1269 on: January 24, 2018, 02:51:29 pm »

5Stars consider post-election pact with far right

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According to the La Stampa report, Di Maio said he would prefer to join forces with the Free and Equal Party, a leftist breakaway from former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s Democratic Party. “But have you seen the polls?” he said. The 5Stars are polling at about 27 percent, meaning the Free and Equal Party’s 6 percent would not be enough to reach the 40 percent threshold. The Northern League is polling at about 15 percent.

Question for anyone who knows: Does Di Maio lean left, or is he just trying to find a somewhat Eurosceptic group that isn't Legal Nord?

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« Reply #1270 on: January 28, 2018, 12:45:21 am »

Centre-right coalition formalized



I swear to God, if Berlusconi somehow gets back into power I think we need to dissolve Italy as a country and reestablish the Papal States. Haha.

But seriously, how is this guy still taken seriously?
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« Reply #1271 on: January 29, 2018, 04:36:29 pm »

Thanks, Andy Hogan.

Berlusconi was banned from holding office in 2012 by a Milan Court. He cannot re-participate until 2019 (I'm sure this has been brought up/commented on already). I don't believe he can work a miracle and get a reprieve from the European Court of Human Rights by March, or even by year-end. He's not getting back into power. He'll just remain a gray eminence, a Grande Monsieur of the Right.

And yes, the prognostication for Italy's next Prime Minister is trending Right, as most of us have noted. Who will be that masked man?

Frankly, who cares anymore? The country's lost.

Italy will trudge through a procession of middling, feckless prime ministers unable to handle, even nudge, the state's calcified, faceless apparatchiks, who will lord it over Italians for as long as the universe expands. There's no HMS Carpathia in sight. I think it's hopeless.
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« Reply #1272 on: January 29, 2018, 08:31:27 pm »

Actually that's an interesting thing - in an unintended and quite unnoticed way Italian politics has returned to old habits (supposedly banished forever with the fall of the First Republic) in that formal office has become decoupled from political power, with the position of a politician within his/her party often mattering more than any governmental post.
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« Reply #1273 on: January 30, 2018, 03:19:55 pm »

Actually that's an interesting thing - in an unintended and quite unnoticed way Italian politics has returned to old habits (supposedly banished forever with the fall of the First Republic) in that formal office has become decoupled from political power, with the position of a politician within his/her party often mattering more than any governmental post.

It was a pretty obvious consequence of the result of the constitutional referendum.

Back to the First Republic, back to a PR system. It's actually a semi-miracle that there is an uninominal component in the electoral law.
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« Reply #1274 on: January 30, 2018, 04:53:52 pm »


It was a pretty obvious consequence of the result of the constitutional referendum.

Back to the First Republic, back to a PR system. It's actually a semi-miracle that there is an uninominal component in the electoral law.
w/o the FPTP component the electoral law would have been better, and there would be not danger of a new right-wing government
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