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« Reply #150 on: February 12, 2014, 06:38:02 PM »
Looks like Renzi has the momentum but it'll be messy.
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« Reply #151 on: February 13, 2014, 12:45:27 AM »
Have the other parties in the coalition indicated whether they'd vote for confidence in Renzi?
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« Reply #152 on: February 13, 2014, 12:49:03 AM »
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Have the other parties in the coalition indicated whether they'd vote for confidence in Renzi?

Presumably, since G-Nap is deadest against an election.
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« Reply #153 on: February 13, 2014, 03:20:43 AM »
Horrible decision by Renzi...
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« Reply #154 on: February 13, 2014, 08:51:47 AM »
Today, at 9.00 AM (15.00 PM in Italy), the decisive PD direction
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« Reply #155 on: February 13, 2014, 12:15:38 PM »
PD central committee backs Renzi 152-13 with 16 abstentions. So presumably now Letta heads to the Quirinale and asks Napolitano to send for Renzi.
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« Reply #156 on: February 13, 2014, 12:16:50 PM »
PMO: Letta will hand in his resignation tomorrow.
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« Reply #157 on: February 13, 2014, 01:40:08 PM »
How do the other members of the coalition feel about this?
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« Reply #158 on: February 13, 2014, 04:22:49 PM »
How long we expecting him to last?
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« Reply #159 on: February 13, 2014, 07:26:24 PM »
So when does Renzi take over?
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« Reply #160 on: February 13, 2014, 09:11:56 PM »
Renzi wants to take the Democratic Party-New Centre Right coalition full term.
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« Reply #161 on: February 13, 2014, 10:17:40 PM »
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Renzi wants to take the Democratic Party-New Centre Right coalition full term.
The DP must be happy the Berlusconi's antics failed hilariously and gave them a sane center-right coalition partner.
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« Reply #162 on: February 14, 2014, 06:36:52 AM »
7-10 days.
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« Reply #163 on: February 14, 2014, 07:11:19 AM »
Oh boy, what a surrealistic masquerade (even by Italian standards!).

Renzi is making an ENORMOUS mistake, and proving he's not nearly the skillful politician I hoped he would be. I'm very pessimistic.
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« Reply #164 on: February 14, 2014, 09:04:52 AM »
What's the feeling amongst the public with all of this? Is there backlash over how Renzi is swooping in (I'd think there has to be some since even the most ardent PD/Renzi fans here think this is a mistake) or are they just happy that Letta is leaving?

What's Silvio saying about all of this?  Tongue
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« Reply #165 on: February 14, 2014, 09:45:44 AM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 14, 2014, 09:04:52 AM
What's Silvio saying about all of this?  Tongue

Officially, he's on "wait and see" mode, and all around being fairly open toward Renzi. Secretly, he's probably popping Champagne.

Haven't seen any poll yet. I have absolutely no idea how the Italians will take this.
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« Reply #166 on: February 14, 2014, 12:31:16 PM »
Yeah, this just comes across as a self-aggrandizing power grab.
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« Reply #167 on: February 14, 2014, 12:55:59 PM »
Sunday will be held the regional elections in Sardegna.
The candidates are: for the centre-left (Pd, Sel, Communist and others) Francesco Pigliaru. For the centre-right (Fi, Udc, FdI and others) the incumbent Ugo Cappellacci. For the indipendents Michela Murgia, for the indipendents lists of centre-right Mauro Pili and others two indipendents candidates.
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« Reply #168 on: February 14, 2014, 04:18:42 PM »
Why is this an enormous mistake? I'm not knowledgeable about the situation.
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« Reply #169 on: February 14, 2014, 07:28:15 PM »
Quote from: Хahar on February 14, 2014, 04:18:42 PM
Why is this an enormous mistake? I'm not knowledgeable about the situation.
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« Reply #170 on: February 14, 2014, 07:36:40 PM »
To go into that maneuver, I think that Renzi got PD grassroots to go in a way more legitimate and that he would have strength to impose things to NCD. Government isn't a great coalition since Berlusconi left it and NCD needs to remain to not be politically crushed in early elections. Letta was a guarantor of a great coalition and man who enabled government to survive Berlusconi threats. Now, he's more a liability than an asset. A failure in EP elections is in question too, because a defeat with Letta as PM would be bad to Renzi too. He wants to do something in "honeymoon" to go in a strong position to prevent a FI or M5S victory.
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« Reply #171 on: February 15, 2014, 02:01:16 AM »
I imagine with the perception of the last election as deadlocked, and now Renzi going for a full term, this will look like an unelected government.
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« Reply #172 on: February 15, 2014, 03:38:23 AM »

There are several reasons I can see:
- Because it makes Renzi look like a backstabbing hypocrite (he repeatedly assured he wouldn't threaten the government)
- Because it goes against Renzi's appeal, which has always been about opposing these kind of 1st republic-style arrangement and instead founding his legitimacy on popular support
- Because now he will have to deal directly with an unstable majority, and will take the blame for the lack of action that results from the need to accommodate everyone
- Because it means the legislature will last until 2018, which it clearly doesn't deserve to
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« Reply #173 on: February 15, 2014, 04:56:53 AM »
I don't understand anything. Sad
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« Reply #174 on: February 15, 2014, 05:56:15 AM »

I know, Italian politics are confusing as sh*t for the uninitiated. Wink

If you have any specific question, I can do my best to explain stuff.
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