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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2013, 06:03:32 am »
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It's official: PdL is gonna split.

Oh my God. Details?
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2013, 09:21:32 am »
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It's official: PdL is gonna split.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24966934
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2013, 12:51:44 pm »
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That's over a third of his Senate caucus and more than 20% of his deputies, so I'd stick a fork in the centre-right for the foreseeable future since Alfano's sticking with the coalition. How long does PD want to keep the coalition going?
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2013, 06:18:56 pm »
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Alfano could be more trustful for PD establishment than members of own party. If a majority of PD caucus want, government can survive until 2018. Government could be ended if Renzi, after winning leadership, gets control of caucus and a poll advantadge that makes safe to go for country. Alfano will heir control of Monti coalition and he'll keep them until bitter end.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2013, 09:12:43 am »
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Silvio still looking to Alfano for help, urging his side to align with FI to defeat the left. Berlusconi even asked his supporters not to attack Alfano and Co. - http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/11/17/335053/berlusconi-seeks-to-form-new-alliance/
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2013, 09:47:40 am »
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The only thing that matters is that they will keep propping up the government no matter what (that's the whole reason behind the split), thus defusing any incentive PD had to avoid expelling Berlusconi from the Parliament.
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2013, 03:24:43 pm »
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Basilicata count very slow in reporting. Turnout collapsed from 62.8 to 47.6%

With 259 polling stations reported out of 681, Pittella (centre-left, brother of Pittella MEP running for the leadership) is far ahead with 60.79%. PDL candidate is at 21.43%, M5S at 10.85%, SEL at 4.69%.

PD provisional results among party members released by the party today

Renzi 46.7%
Cuperlo 38.4%
Civati 9.2%
Pittella 5.7%
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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2013, 03:51:45 pm »
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So all 4 go to the convention and primary?
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2013, 04:05:36 pm »
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Good to see it is close amongst the party faithful. Need some excitement instead of a coronation! Cheesy
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2013, 04:23:33 pm »
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Anything but a Renzi coronation.
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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2013, 06:13:03 pm »
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So all 4 go to the convention and primary?

No,Pittella won't go to the primary.

Anyhow a close result was expected in this vote;+8 Renzi is actually a great result.
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2013, 02:52:10 am »
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Yeah, Renzi will win big. Sad to see Civati not doing any better, though.
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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2013, 03:16:16 am »
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Basilicata

Pittella (PD+Socialists+Democratic Centre+Italy of Values) 59.60%
Di Maggio (PDL+Civic Choice+UDC) 19.38%
Pedicini (5 Stars) 13.19%
Murante (SEL) 5.16%
everybody else below 1%

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PD 24.83% (4 seats)
Pittella President 16.01% (3)
Socialists 7.47 (1)
Realtà Italia 5.92% (1)
Democratic Center 5.04 (1)
+ 2 seats for the Pittella's Coalition
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PDL 12.27 (2)
Civic Choice 5.08 (1)
UDC 3.8 (1)
+ 1 seat for the coalition
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5 Stars  8.97% (2)
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SEL 5.16% (1)
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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2013, 10:51:20 am »
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Massive floods in Sardinia yesterday night and today. Already 18 deaths confirmed. As usual Italian disaster relief sucked big time.
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2013, 11:21:14 am »
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I saw that it was officially a cyclone: six months worth of rain in a day. Sad
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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2013, 11:41:57 am »
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Check out the map La Repubblica put together for the results from the "party circles" - http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2013/11/19/news/primarie_pd_il_voto_nei_circoli_regione_per_regione_mappa-71368260/

Renzi did best in Campania (+25) while Cuperlo's strongest region was Molise (+29). Emilia-Romagna was the closest: Cuperlo by about one point. Cuperlo also took Sicily and Basilicata.
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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2013, 02:25:16 pm »
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Basilicata

Pittella (PD+Socialists+Democratic Centre+Italy of Values) 59.60%
Di Maggio (PDL+Civic Choice+UDC) 19.38%
Pedicini (5 Stars) 13.19%
Murante (SEL) 5.16%
everybody else below 1%

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PD 24.83% (4 seats)
Pittella President 16.01% (3)
Socialists 7.47 (1)
Realtà Italia 5.92% (1)
Democratic Center 5.04 (1)
+ 2 seats for the Pittella's Coalition
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PDL 12.27 (2)
Civic Choice 5.08 (1)
UDC 3.8 (1)
+ 1 seat for the coalition
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5 Stars  8.97% (2)
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SEL 5.16% (1)


The list isn't Civic Choice but Brothers of Italy + Civic Choice + Great south.

The elect of this list is of Brothers of Italy.
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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2013, 01:53:04 pm »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews
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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2013, 03:51:46 pm »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews


Why three significant figures?
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2013, 04:03:07 pm »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews


Why three significant figures?

For some reason, Italian pollsters seem to believe decimals are valuable information.
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« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2013, 08:32:10 pm »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews


Why three significant figures?

For some reason, Italian pollsters seem to believe decimals are valuable information.

2006 and 2013 were quite close...
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« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2013, 05:29:57 am »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews


Why three significant figures?

For some reason, Italian pollsters seem to believe decimals are valuable information.

2006 and 2013 were quite close...

Yes, but, as both these elections showed, the pollsters' margin of error goes well beyond the single percentage point.
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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2013, 02:57:18 pm »
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CD is in the lead for Tecnè (+5%), Swg (+4%), Ipr (+4%), Ispo (+3%), Euromedia (+2%), Emg (+1%) and Ipsos (+0,6%).
CS is in the lead for Ixè (+0,3%) and Datamedia (+0,7%).
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« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2013, 03:06:11 pm »
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Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Coalition including former Premier Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and new center right group formed by deputy premier Alfano at 37% vs 34.6% last week, according to poll by SWG of voting intentions.

Center-left including Premier Letta’s PD party at 32.9% vs 33.3% last week: SWG
Grillo’s Five-Star Movement at 19.8% vs 20.8%: SWG
Undecideds and abstentions 40% vs 41.5% last week: SWG

NOTE: Poll conducted Nov. 19-20 on 1,000 interviews


Why three significant figures?

For some reason, Italian pollsters seem to believe decimals are valuable information.

2006 and 2013 were quite close...

Yes, but, as both these elections showed, the pollsters' margin of error goes well beyond the single percentage point.

True. If an election is close enough that decimals would be valuable information in polling then it's more than close enough for the polls to get the result wrong anyway.
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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2013, 08:54:17 am »
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At 17:00 PM (Italy Time) the vote for decay of Berlusconi.

Today is the day!
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