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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2013, 07:17:49 AM »

Yes, the rich should not be allowed to segregate themselves from the unwashed masses.

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2013, 08:44:35 AM »

No. I strongly oppose any attempts to ban homeschooling.
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2013, 08:45:24 AM »

Cut off all funding for/ban the Public schools instead. Replace with vouchers.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2013, 09:50:00 AM »

In general, homeschooling should not be allowed. Education is not merely about academic performance, but also about developing social skills.

I'm fairly certain most kids that are homeschooled develop social skills by the various activities they take part in, whether it's playing sports, taking part in Scouts/Girl Scouts, Sunday school, youth group, and so on.

To answer the debate question, I am against efforts to ban homeschooling, and have no problem with someone who homeschools their children. Would I homeschool my child/children? I cannot answer that question now, as I am not yet a parent.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2013, 10:13:24 AM »

Homeschooling should be encouraged for military families who are always moving.

A lot of people in the military don't have much disposable income.  They don't have necessarily have the luxury of having one person quit their job and stay home with the children.  Plus a lot of them are not well educated.  I would much rather be educated by someone with a masters degree that I don't agree with ideologically than a high school drop out who voted for Obama.

For those of you who have ever been children, think about how hard it would be to constantly be the new kid at school.

Here's something I learned at a tax payer funded public school... Leave superfluous statements out of your writing.

And most 8 year olds would rather be the new kid at school vs being taught by mommy or daddy.

Anyway this thread is just a manifestation of one of DC's obsessions.  It's like a snowguy climate change thread.  If someone says someone started a thread going crazy about climate change I instantly know who it is.  If someone says someone went off on a rant about home schooling I instantly know who it is.

Simply fact of the matter is home schooling has and will always be a niche thing.  And people who care about it one way or the other will always be a minority.  The reason most sane people mock home schooling in general is because so many wacko people give dumb reasons for doing it.  Public schools by and large are fine.  If you sit down and make sure your kids are doing their homework correctly and discuss their school work with them they will get As or at least Bs.

If you happen to live in a rural or inner city area without schools or with horrible schools and your spouse is well educated then yeah sure.

Plus, the less teachers unions can brainwash children the better.

^This is why homeschooling has a bad name.

No one should be forced at gun point to send their kids somewhere everyday.

^Here is another reason homeschooling has a bad name.

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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2013, 10:13:52 AM »

In general, homeschooling should not be allowed. Education is not merely about academic performance, but also about developing social skills.

I'm fairly certain most kids that are homeschooled develop social skills by the various activities they take part in, whether it's playing sports, taking part in Scouts/Girl Scouts, Sunday school, youth group, and so on.

To answer the debate question, I am against efforts to ban homeschooling, and have no problem with someone who homeschools their children. Would I homeschool my child/children? I cannot answer that question now, as I am not yet a parent.

True, you do develop social skills in the activities you mentioned, but you're choosing exactly which people you want to interact with. One of the important things in a school environment is getting to know people unlike yourself. Learning to work productively with people you don't necessarily like and wouldn't voluntarily associate with.
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2013, 10:26:48 AM »

Why not just have one set of schools and avoid all the redundancy?
Why not just have one brand of gas stations and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both BP and Exxon?

Why not just have one type of peanut butter and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both creamy and crunchy?

Why not just have one baseball league and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both the AL and the NL?
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2013, 10:44:55 AM »

I am fine with homeschooling and think there should be just enough regulation to avoid parents indoctrinating their children or giving them a generally terrible education that stunts their future potential for personal development and pursuits of fulfillment.
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2013, 12:43:19 PM »


Yes. She's a mathematics and chemistry double major with an English minor who's an artist and a fencer and knows more about Kant and Hegel than anybody else I've ever met. We're all a little in awe of her. She's had a cold for the past few days and I hope she feels better soon.

Hah.  Creepy!
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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2013, 12:44:04 PM »

Homeschooling should be encouraged for military families who are always moving.

A lot of people in the military don't have much disposable income.  They don't have necessarily have the luxury of having one person quit their job and stay home with the children.  Plus a lot of them are not well educated.  I would much rather be educated by someone with a masters degree that I don't agree with ideologically than a high school drop out who voted for Obama.

For those of you who have ever been children, think about how hard it would be to constantly be the new kid at school.

Here's something I learned at a tax payer funded public school... Leave superfluous statements out of your writing.

And most 8 year olds would rather be the new kid at school vs being taught by mommy or daddy.

Anyway this thread is just a manifestation of one of DC's obsessions.  It's like a snowguy climate change thread.  If someone says someone started a thread going crazy about climate change I instantly know who it is.  If someone says someone went off on a rant about home schooling I instantly know who it is.

Simply fact of the matter is home schooling has and will always be a niche thing.  And people who care about it one way or the other will always be a minority.  The reason most sane people mock home schooling in general is because so many wacko people give dumb reasons for doing it.  Public schools by and large are fine.  If you sit down and make sure your kids are doing their homework correctly and discuss their school work with them they will get As or at least Bs.

If you happen to live in a rural or inner city area without schools or with horrible schools and your spouse is well educated then yeah sure.

Plus, the less teachers unions can brainwash children the better.

^This is why homeschooling has a bad name.

No one should be forced at gun point to send their kids somewhere everyday.

^Here is another reason homeschooling has a bad name.



You sound like you're really against families teaching their kids. Families first!
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2013, 01:17:11 PM »
« Edited: October 29, 2013, 01:19:00 PM by Acting like I'm Morrissey w/o the wit »

Why not just have one set of schools and avoid all the redundancy?
Why not just have one brand of gas stations and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both BP and Exxon?

Why not just have one type of peanut butter and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both creamy and crunchy?

Why not just have one baseball league and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both the AL and the NL?

Good question. Ask people if they want an energy market and the so called choice that comes with it, and most would rather it were nationalised. 'Choice' isn't by itself a good thing, especially when it's in education where the rich get to opt out of (and thus have no reason to care about or improve) public education and are able to perpetuate their privilege in some elitist toff institution.
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2013, 01:19:53 PM »


Yes. She's a mathematics and chemistry double major with an English minor who's an artist and a fencer and knows more about Kant and Hegel than anybody else I've ever met. We're all a little in awe of her. She's had a cold for the past few days and I hope she feels better soon.

Hah.  Creepy!

How so?

(I should clarify that I don't by any means think that this friend of mine is some sort of generalized vindication of all homeschooling, but...well, Napoleon asked.)
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2013, 01:21:06 PM »

Yes, the rich should not be allowed to segregate themselves from the unwashed masses.

Oh look, another person with a chip on their shoulder.

Oh look, another troll.
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2013, 01:21:40 PM »

Why not just have one set of schools and avoid all the redundancy?
Why not just have one brand of gas stations and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both BP and Exxon?

Why not just have one type of peanut butter and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both creamy and crunchy?

Why not just have one baseball league and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both the AL and the NL?

Good question. Ask people if they want an energy market and the so called choice that comes with it, and most would rather it were nationalised. 'Choice' isn't by itself a good thing, especially when it's in education where the rich get to opt out of (and thus have no reason to care about or improve) public education and are able to perpetuate their privilege in some elitist toff institution.

Why shouldn't someone who has earned a lot of money, be able to send their child to a better school? Let me get this straight. You're unhappy with crappy schools so everyone should have to deal with crappy schools?
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2013, 01:25:12 PM »

Because no-one but the rich and their apologists wants a two-tier education system.
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2013, 02:32:17 PM »

I believe it is eminently fair as a society to demand that education should be mandatory for children and it should be required to meet certain standards. Then we avoid situations like this guy:

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2013, 02:34:26 PM »

Because no-one but the rich and their apologists wants a two-tier education system.

What is your definition of "rich", for the record?
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2013, 02:44:16 PM »

People who can afford private schooling, usually.
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2013, 02:48:19 PM »

Why not just have one set of schools and avoid all the redundancy?
Why not just have one brand of gas stations and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both BP and Exxon?

Why not just have one type of peanut butter and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both creamy and crunchy?

Why not just have one baseball league and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both the AL and the NL?

I am completely in favor of having one gas company, actually.
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2013, 02:52:27 PM »


So in other words you have no actual definition of 'rich'. You do realise that quite a broad swathe of the population can afford some variant of private schooling (although of course in some cases this will be difficult).
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2013, 03:06:27 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2013, 12:46:37 PM by Beet »


So in other words you have no actual definition of 'rich'.

They must not exist then! What is your point, you tiresome (deleted) [note: please no gratuitous personal attacks]? I suppose porn doesn't exist either, because there's no one definition of it? How about this: they can enroll their children into elitist institutions without suffering enormously because of it.

You do realise that quite a broad swathe of the population can afford some variant of private schooling (although of course in some cases this will be difficult).

lol such a broad swathe, that 93% don't bother with it - perhaps because it's as unobtainable as ever (and deliberately so) for all but the wealthy middle-classes and rich, and even then, said middle-classes are whinging that it's pricing them out these days.

You sound like one of those deluded privately educated toffs who's convinced themselves they're not privileged because, well, people could afford it, if they just turned off their heating!
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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2013, 03:21:22 PM »

Why not just have one set of schools and avoid all the redundancy?
Why not just have one brand of gas stations and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both BP and Exxon?

Why not just have one type of peanut butter and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both creamy and crunchy?

Why not just have one baseball league and avoid all the redundancy? Do we really need both the AL and the NL?

I am completely in favor of having one gas company, actually.

And only one car company; Trabant Wink
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2013, 03:35:33 PM »
« Edited: October 29, 2013, 04:09:22 PM by ElectionsGuy »

Absolutely not. Parents should have rights to choose their sons/daughters style of education.
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2013, 04:01:15 PM »

Because no-one but the rich and their apologists wants a two-tier education system.

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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2013, 04:03:01 PM »

The people saying Homeschooling should be banned, are complete idiots who know nothing of the education system and are simply middle class leftists trying to purseu a ideological quest.
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