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StatesRights
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« on: March 01, 2004, 09:58:58 PM »

Maybe it simply has to do with this. In large cities, which in the US are MOSTLY in the North and on the coast, people tend to be closer together and more dependent on each other for each others common survival. In the states that go conservative, the south and middle america, the people in these regions of our nation have traditionally been farmers or labored for farms, thus if you grow your own food and raise your own animals you are dependent on yourself and God. People who are like this IMHO depend more on family values because if you have a family you have a unit and you can eat and have a comfortable life. If you break up a family you starve. Its all about survival. Whereas in a city if a family breaks up you are so crammed with others you can easily fall on someone else. If you're in the sticks and you get broken up your dead meat. I wouldnt say this so much applies in the 20-21st century but in the 19th it was more then true.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2004, 10:01:39 AM »

I think the whole logic about the thing is inherently flawed, lol, but I just gave my opinion about one "possibility".
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StatesRights
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2004, 01:49:36 AM »

Question: Are those Confederate soldiers in your signature?
And if so how do you justify having a Republican avatar?

Yes one is Thomas Jefferson and the other is two Confederate soldiers rallying around the 1st National Confederate Flag. I am a Republican because they stand for most of the issues I support. And yes I know you are going to try and say "Well Lincoln was a Republican". Yes he was, but the Republican party of the 1860s were the Radicals/Liberals and the Democrats were the conservatives. The parties views have flip flopped over the past 145 years. If their were a Constitutional Republic party I would probably be of it, or something like the party Teddy Roosevelt was in. Now THAT was a great man.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2004, 08:58:32 AM »

Question: Are those Confederate soldiers in your signature?
And if so how do you justify having a Republican avatar?

Yes one is Thomas Jefferson and the other is two Confederate soldiers rallying around the 1st National Confederate Flag. I am a Republican because they stand for most of the issues I support. And yes I know you are going to try and say "Well Lincoln was a Republican". Yes he was, but the Republican party of the 1860s were the Radicals/Liberals and the Democrats were the conservatives. The parties views have flip flopped over the past 145 years. If their were a Constitutional Republic party I would probably be of it, or something like the party Teddy Roosevelt was in. Now THAT was a great man.

Wrong
The Democrats were never the conservatives (there have always been conservative Democrats though) and the Republicans have never been liberals (though there has always been socially liberal Republicans).
I'm not going to get into an argument over this, but I recommend you look up the politics of the C19th before believing what Trent Lott says.

Lincolns ideas were very liberal for the time period. Not every northerner wanted to abolish slavery. The Abolishonist movement was very small, maybe 10% of the entire north. You might say that secession was a radical idea, although secession was believed to be the right of a state for many years. Daniel Webster preached it and several northern states almost seceded years before the civil war. Yes the Democrats had their radicals in the Copperheads, but they weren't socially liberal. Theirs always exceptions as their are today. But from what I've read the majority of Democrats were socially Conservative. And I would say a sizable portion of Republicans were socially Liberal (such as Lincoln). The only thing thats stayed the same with the Democrats is they believe in dependence on the government. Except back then they kept the black man dependent on the plantation, now the govt has taken the role of the plantation.
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StatesRights
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2004, 09:02:30 AM »

Dunn, email me. I'd be interested in finding more out about your party.
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