would this three party system work?

[freepcrusher]

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.

[Person Man]

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.

Isn't that basically the BNP, Labour and Tories in the UK?

[Supersonic]

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.

Where do the fiscal conservatives and libertarians go?

[Oldiesfreak1854]

No, because they're all lousy.

[Sol]

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.

Just FYI, a vast majority of Unitarians would actually vote for the American Labor Party.

[ElectionsGuy]

I suppose. But Supersonic makes a good point, as I am a fiscal conservative/libertarian. I guess I would just have to merge into the independent party.

[freepcrusher]

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Where do the fiscal conservatives and libertarians go?

depends what type of libertarian. A Lew Rockwell or Alex Jones type of libertarian (if you want to call them that) go in the AIP, more left libertarians go in the Universalist Party. Same for ficons, most republicans are ficons but the tea party type ficons go to the AIP while fiscal conservatives with some reservations (think someone like Richard Hanna) go to the Universalist Party.

[Consciously Unconscious]

No, because they're all lousy.

Basically this.

[Person Man]

This would be an interesting map. 

[DC Al Fine]

American Independent Party - sort of what I call "anti big business conservatives". Think of someone like the late Sam Francis, Richard Viguerie, Ron Paul, G Edward Griffin. Anti-immigration (legal and illegal), anti-UN, anti-abortion, anti-gay. Sort of similar to this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=173237.0

American Labor Party - SEIU and MoveOn. Big into "Hold the Banks Accountable", ending the death penalty, ending deportations and against things like "Stop and Frisk". Ilya Sheyman, Elizabeth Warren, Bill DeBlasio, and Luis Gutierrez are one of many examples.

Universalist Party - Centrist, technocrat party. Clinton, Bloomberg, Cuomo and some moderate republicans. Strongholds of this party would be unitarians (hence the name), jews and seculars.

Where do the fiscal conservatives and libertarians go?

Under any political system, there's going to be swing voters. I assume libertarianish people would be those people under the OP's system.

Also we'd have to use PR or Westminster FPTP to get any sizable 3rd party elected.

[Mr. Illini]

If I had to complete a map for this.



It was a fairly tough one to estimate.

[freepcrusher]

If I had to complete a map for this.



It was a fairly tough one to estimate.

agree with AIP, but I think you have ALP and Universalist party mixed up. Universalist party is a mix between upscale dems and moderate republicans while the American Labor Party is probably 55+ percent minority.

[TNF]

A Labor Party would win states the Democrats couldn't.

[Mr. Illini]

If I had to complete a map for this.



It was a fairly tough one to estimate.

agree with AIP, but I think you have ALP and Universalist party mixed up. Universalist party is a mix between upscale dems and moderate republicans while the American Labor Party is probably 55+ percent minority.

So you think the Universalists would win the very liberal states in the northeast and unionized states in the Great Lakes above a Labor Party that is big on unionization and opposed to the banks and big business?

[Mister Mets]

Due to the way the primary system is set up, certain groups will have a disproportionate influence on the major parties.

If you go from two major parties to three, their influence on an individual party can be even stronger since they're going to be a larger share of the primary vote. The alternative is that there may be a schism of some sorts, IE- if some members of the religious right stick to the AIP, while others go to the universalists.

African-Americans would probably have a larger influence on the American Labor Party than on the Democrats.

We're not really accustomed to three-party elections in the US and the ways a strong third party candidate can help the greater of two evils win. You could look at the 2010 British parliamentary elections where conservatives got 47% of seats with 36% of the vote, and Liberal Democrats only got 9% of seats with 23% of the vote.

We're also not used to it being the norm for politicians to not have a majority of the vote. That can make it difficult to govern. Obama's difficulties would be even greater if he won 40% in a three way race.

[freepcrusher]

Due to the way the primary system is set up, certain groups will have a disproportionate influence on the major parties.

If you go from two major parties to three, their influence on an individual party can be even stronger since they're going to be a larger share of the primary vote. The alternative is that there may be a schism of some sorts, IE- if some members of the religious right stick to the AIP, while others go to the universalists.

African-Americans would probably have a larger influence on the American Labor Party than on the Democrats.

We're not really accustomed to three-party elections in the US and the ways a strong third party candidate can help the greater of two evils win. You could look at the 2010 British parliamentary elections where conservatives got 47% of seats with 36% of the vote, and Liberal Democrats only got 9% of seats with 23% of the vote.

We're also not used to it being the norm for politicians to not have a majority of the vote. That can make it difficult to govern. Obama's difficulties would be even greater if he won 40% in a three way race.

exactly. I should elaborate on the bases of each party:

AIP - working class/middle class whites, conservative christians, young white families with children

ALP - blacks and hispanics, union members (particularly UFW and SEIU) and some sympathetic college students

Universalists - Seculars, Episcopalians, Jews, and the professional class in general, particularly what David Brooks calls the "bobos".

[TNF]

Why wouldn't working class whites vote for the Labor Party?

[DC Al Fine]

Why wouldn't working class whites vote for the Labor Party?

Presumably the ALP would have the same problems you described on your Appalachia thread. (Alienating working class whites with guns/religion comments). Or did you imagine them being more gun/pro-life friendly?

[TNF]

Why wouldn't working class whites vote for the Labor Party?

Presumably the ALP would have the same problems you described on your Appalachia thread. (Alienating working class whites with guns/religion comments). Or did you imagine them being more gun/pro-life friendly?

I would assume they'd be neutral. IIRC there was some discussion of the AFL-CIO adopting a pro-choice resolution in the 1990s (at the height of its reform period after Sweeney took over) that never saw the light of day because of the issues that come with that. Isn't the NDP a broad church as far as gun rights are concerned? One would think an American Labor Party would be. Bernie Sanders has a relatively pro-gun voting record, iirc

[Lief 🗽]

No three party system would work, because our system is first past the post.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Whigs, Tories, and Labor Party, UK American system.

Whigs anti free market trade. Goods and services Americanized. But are cautious about raising taxes. End govt subsidies on shipping jobs overseas but keep taxes low.

Labor Earmed pathway to citizenship in immigration and raise minimum wage.

Tories Cheap labor, raise capital. Free market enterprise in China.

[DC Al Fine]

Why wouldn't working class whites vote for the Labor Party?

Presumably the ALP would have the same problems you described on your Appalachia thread. (Alienating working class whites with guns/religion comments). Or did you imagine them being more gun/pro-life friendly?

I would assume they'd be neutral. IIRC there was some discussion of the AFL-CIO adopting a pro-choice resolution in the 1990s (at the height of its reform period after Sweeney took over) that never saw the light of day because of the issues that come with that. Isn't the NDP a broad church as far as gun rights are concerned? One would think an American Labor Party would be. Bernie Sanders has a relatively pro-gun voting record, iirc

Ok.

ALP would do better in more blue collar states. They'd do much better in places like WV, and KY. The trade off would be underperforming in places like Conneticut, suburban Philly etc. I think it's safe to say the ALP as you described them would win working class whites outside of the South.