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« on: November 27, 2013, 11:20:20 am »

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/11/pennsylvania-miscellany.html

Christie 48%, Clinton 44%
Clinton 48%, Bush 44%
Clinton 51%, Paul 43%
Clinton 51%, Santorum 42%
Clinton 53%, Cruz 41%
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2013, 11:24:12 am »

Clinton will win pa.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 11:32:43 am »
« Edited: November 27, 2013, 11:36:11 am by Indeed »

The polls seem to be converging if you counted Republican bias on off years out west.
 
If  2016 and 2014 simultaneously happened today, the tipping point would still probably be PA/CO.

Republicans will get just what they need in the Senate plus 10 in the house. In 2016, they would pick up 2 in the senate and maybe another 5 in the house.




Pretty much a mirror image of 2012.


GOP 53/249
Dem 47/186



Chris Christie   51%
Hillary Clinton   47%

Not exactly the Reagan Revolution, but given the circumstances, very similar to when Bush was doing well. 

Long story short: The democrats are unpopular right now but things still can get better but also much worse.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 12:06:49 pm »

Not exactly the Reagan Revolution, but given the circumstances, very similar to when Bush was doing well. 

Long story short: The democrats are unpopular right now but things still can get better but also much worse.

Come on, with another Republican government shutdown in January and February, which still seems highly likely, GOP will be doomed as a brand for the rest of 2014, and the effects might be even more sinister for them than the short-term yet grave effects during the month of October. Let's see what polls are showing during March and April before we conclude that Christie will certainly beat Hillary in 2016. Wink At least according to the first 72 polls of 2013 and late 2012, Hillary is still ahead of Christie nationally with an average margin of somewhere between 7% and 8%, which is almost identical to where she is in Christie's own home state, which could prove to be a crucial battleground in 2016 in the end (just like Arkansas possibly might be another one).
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 12:09:06 pm »

Not surprising. Christie will overperform NH, NJ, PA, ME,...
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2013, 12:11:24 pm »

If Christie beats Clinton in pa, the election is over. Dems only need Co or Oh to win with the 272 firewall. Pa is already calculates in Dems behalf.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2013, 12:47:52 pm »

Not exactly the Reagan Revolution, but given the circumstances, very similar to when Bush was doing well. 

Long story short: The democrats are unpopular right now but things still can get better but also much worse.

Come on, with another Republican government shutdown in January and February, which still seems highly likely, GOP will be doomed as a brand for the rest of 2014, and the effects might be even more sinister for them than the short-term yet grave effects during the month of October. Let's see what polls are showing during March and April before we conclude that Christie will certainly beat Hillary in 2016. Wink At least according to the first 72 polls of 2013 and late 2012, Hillary is still ahead of Christie nationally with an average margin of somewhere between 7% and 8%, which is almost identical to where she is in Christie's own home state, which could prove to be a crucial battleground in 2016 in the end (just like Arkansas possibly might be another one).

Except now a shutdown based on the premise of repealing Obamacare may actually hold water with the voters. And really, after the last shutdown, I get the impression that the public doesn't think they're that big of a deal. I mean, shutdowns aren't great... no one likes them... but the political context has changed a bit.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2013, 12:50:46 pm »

Very surprising, and encouraging results!
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2013, 01:38:01 pm »
« Edited: November 27, 2013, 01:39:39 pm by eric82oslo »

Not exactly the Reagan Revolution, but given the circumstances, very similar to when Bush was doing well.  

Long story short: The democrats are unpopular right now but things still can get better but also much worse.

Come on, with another Republican government shutdown in January and February, which still seems highly likely, GOP will be doomed as a brand for the rest of 2014, and the effects might be even more sinister for them than the short-term yet grave effects during the month of October. Let's see what polls are showing during March and April before we conclude that Christie will certainly beat Hillary in 2016. Wink At least according to the first 72 polls of 2013 and late 2012, Hillary is still ahead of Christie nationally with an average margin of somewhere between 7% and 8%, which is almost identical to where she is in Christie's own home state, which could prove to be a crucial battleground in 2016 in the end (just like Arkansas possibly might be another one).

Except now a shutdown based on the premise of repealing Obamacare may actually hold water with the voters. And really, after the last shutdown, I get the impression that the public doesn't think they're that big of a deal. I mean, shutdowns aren't great... no one likes them... but the political context has changed a bit.

I didn't realize that this was a new polling thread. I imagined being in the Ohio or Iowa thread. So you guys are quite right, this is for sure a dramatic poll for Hillary. From the two previous Pennsylvania polls, Hillary lead every Republican contender by at least 12% (though neither of them polled Christie at the time, oddly enough). Now that's changed to Christie leading Hillary by 4% in the state. That's a 16% shift (at least theoretically, though noone should expect Christie to ever have been down that deeply in the state, the New Jersey bordering state), which is one of the most dramatic shifts/turn arounds we've seen all year. This also means that Hillary's lead nationally, only from this one single poll, has been reduced from 7.5% to now "only" being 6.9% ahead of the generic/tailormade Republican (which in 17 of 26 cases happens to be Christie himself).
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2013, 01:44:07 pm »

People want a fat man as president lol

He'll probably look even worse by election night 2016 when he's possibly lost 120 kilos or so though. Tongue He would also make one of the shortest presidents ever elected in US history. Anyone knowing exactly how tall/short he is? In centimetres preferably. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2013, 01:58:25 pm »

People want a fat man as president lol

He'll probably look even worse by election night 2016 when he's possibly lost 120 kilos or so though. Tongue He would also make one of the shortest presidents ever elected in US history. Anyone knowing exactly how tall/short he is? In centimetres preferably. Tongue

He is 5'11 lol
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013, 01:59:06 pm »

Christie performs like Generic Republican right now, voters know little about him. Clinton OTOH is one of the best known people not only in the US but the entire world. On paper he seems impressive but let's wait and see until he actually hits the trail.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2013, 03:21:34 pm »

Christie performs like Generic Republican right now, voters know little about him. Clinton OTOH is one of the best known people not only in the US but the entire world. On paper he seems impressive but let's wait and see until he actually hits the trail.

Actually he performs way better than Generic Republican. Generic Republican would not be leading Hillary in PA.

That said, Christie is riding high right now. Just coming off the glowing media coverage of his landslide victory just over the border. I live in SE PA so I saw tons of his ads. However, the Tea Party is going to take their pounds of flesh off him during the primary (no pun intended...really). Even if he does make it out of the primary, which is not even close to a certainty, he'll be heavily damaged from the right-wing attacks as the Tea Party despises him.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 05:04:10 pm »

From the two previous Pennsylvania polls, Hillary lead every Republican contender by at least 12% (though neither of them polled Christie at the time, oddly enough). Now that's changed to Christie leading Hillary by 4% in the state. That's a 16% shift (at least theoretically, though noone should expect Christie to ever have been down that deeply in the state, the New Jersey bordering state), which is one of the most dramatic shifts/turn arounds we've seen all year.

The last PA poll to include Christie was by Quinnipiac in March, and had Clinton leading Christie by 5:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170593.0
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2013, 05:39:08 pm »

From the two previous Pennsylvania polls, Hillary lead every Republican contender by at least 12% (though neither of them polled Christie at the time, oddly enough). Now that's changed to Christie leading Hillary by 4% in the state. That's a 16% shift (at least theoretically, though noone should expect Christie to ever have been down that deeply in the state, the New Jersey bordering state), which is one of the most dramatic shifts/turn arounds we've seen all year.

The last PA poll to include Christie was by Quinnipiac in March, and had Clinton leading Christie by 5:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=170593.0


Thanks, that changes everything quite a lot! Smiley Suddenly Hillary is back in the lead again in Penn state, even against Christie, and if only by a tiny breadth of a hair. Wink
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2013, 06:45:55 pm »

Christie won't win 22% of Dems or 31% of blacks. That said he is obviously a very strong candidate as he's perceived as moderate and connects well with people emotionally. I suppose hillary could make up PA with Florida as the GOP white vote is near maxed out there but I don't see FL as bluer than PA before 2020.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2013, 06:55:15 pm »

If Obama doesn't turn things around, Clinton may very well follow in McCain's footsteps.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2013, 07:04:34 pm »

Hillary is no McCain. We are seeing a tightness of the polls as we all knew was gonna happen. Just makes the Dem pay more attention to pick someone from a swing state like Hickenlooper.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2013, 08:14:13 pm »

looks like staying in state for college will have its perks lol
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2013, 10:29:06 pm »

Christie vs. Clinton by age:
18-45: Clinton +7
46-65: Christie +13
65+: Christie +8
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2013, 02:43:04 am »

I shouldn't even have to point this out, but I will: Respondents in this poll voted equally for Obama and Romney. In reality, Obama won the state by almost 6%. Also, this poll is only 46% to 43% Democratic.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2013, 02:45:39 am »

Yeah, Christie winning's more of a testament to him than the climate in the state. South Jersey's basically like the Philly burbs politically, and their markets overlap a lot. I have a lot of family across the spectrum in the burbs, and everybody thinks Chris Christie's awesome. I'd expect a narrow Christie win in a neutral climate, even against Clinton.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2013, 02:55:01 am »

Yeah, if you take all the most recent polls at face value, then you have an electoral map in which Christie is doing better against Clinton in PA than either Florida or Ohio.  Which would be a fun map to see.  Florida going Dem. and Pennsylvania going GOP would be fun.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2013, 02:56:40 am »

Yeah, if you take all the most recent polls at face value, then you have an electoral map in which Christie is doing better against Clinton in PA than either Florida or Ohio.  Which would be a fun map to see.  Florida going Dem. and Pennsylvania going GOP would be fun.

Not to mention Hillary winning Kentucky and almost winning Mississippi of all places.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2013, 03:02:42 am »

From a political spectator perspective, I wish we could have another election like 1976, in which the map is covered in swing states, and there aren't just seven competitive states that decide everything.  If you believe the Christie vs. Clinton polls, then such a matchup in 2016 would be full of swing states.

Sadly, I don't think it's going to hold up.
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