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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: December 20, 2013, 04:44:12 PM »

Does that mean marriages can start being celebrated in Utah right now, or is everything suspended until the SCOTUS ruling?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2013, 04:53:32 PM »

Does that mean marriages can start being celebrated in Utah right now, or is everything suspended until the SCOTUS ruling?

I think it's like the California case, where the defendants will take it to the SCOTUS. If SCOTUS refuses to hear the case, it's legal in Utah. If SCOTUS does here the case they can either punt to allow in in JUST Utah, overrule it to allow Utah to continue banning it, or finally just legalize it everywhere.

It's really hard to see how they can find the rationale to keep it in Utah only. Time for the final showdown has probably come...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 06:42:52 AM »

To be fully honest, I'm a bit worried that it's too soon for such a ruling. This might well turn into a Roe vs. Wade, abruptly blocking the natural evolution of public opinion and enraging the religious right. So far, there isn't even a clear majority in America that supports SSM... If let things happen normally, chances are that by 2020 that majority will be overwhelming. But if gay marriage is forced down the conservatives' throat by the SCOTUS now, chances are we'll get the same never-ending debates on this, with possibly very bad repercussions on assorted issues such as anti-discrimination laws or adoption.

Sorry for the concern trolling.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 09:40:45 AM »
« Edited: December 21, 2013, 09:42:48 AM by Il cavaliere decaduto »

A question for those comparing this to Roe.

What Percentage of Americans would have to back gay marriage for you to say:     

"Okay, the Country is ready for this now."  ?

I'd say 60% and 37-40 States should be good.

The cause for marriage equality seems to have a pretty bright future through State initiatives, and the SC decision could be limited to making the last few opponents abide once everyone else already has.
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