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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2013, 09:03:12 pm »

I don't care for their views, but I think their activism helped define an important era (1967-1971ish). HO overall.

They didn't like women very much.
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There was also resistance to women's equal participation, which drove some women away from the group. According to Jacqui Ceballos, "Women at a 1965 SDS conference [were] put down with she just needs a good screw; the following year SDS women [were] pelted with tomatoes when they demand[ed] a plank on women's liberation."

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Also in 1968, an SDS organizer at the University of Washington told a meeting about white college men working with poor white men, and "[h]e noted that sometimes after analyzing societal ills, the men shared leisure time by 'balling a chick together.' He pointed out that such activities did much to enhance the political consciousness of poor white youth. A woman in the audience asked, 'And what did it do for the consciousness of the chick?'"

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Also in 1969, the New Left was present at a Counter-Inaugural to Richard Nixon’s first inauguration, at which the antiwar leader Dave Dellinger, serving as master of ceremonies, incorrectly announced, “The women have asked all the men to leave the stage.” [26] After that, SDS activist Marilyn Salzman Webb attempted to speak about women's oppression, and SDS men heckled her, shouting, "Take her off the stage and f--k her!" and so forth until she was drowned out.
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I don't about SDS, but wasn't the leader of the Black Panther Movement a serial rapist who fled to Algeria before returning in the 1980s and converting to Mormonism and becoming a Reagan conservative Tongue.

One of the most badass men alive, yes.

Eldridge Cleaver died in 1998. Badass normally has positive connotations. Do you admire this piece of scum?

Advocated for civil rights, sexual freedom, limited government, and the doctrine of Jesus Christ. What's not to like?
Raping black women for practice before going on to rape and strangle white women as an act of "insurrection."

Just goes to show he didn't discriminate between races.
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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2013, 09:13:12 pm »

I'm pretty sure Cath is trolling you guys...
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2013, 09:25:28 pm »

I'm pretty sure Cath is trolling you guys...

Thank you! The fact that some people persist in taking me seriously makes me continually lose faith in the forum. That said, with all my sarcasm is a tiny bit of seriousness (or vice versa).
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2013, 10:31:05 pm »

I'm pretty sure Cath is trolling you guys...

Thank you! The fact that some people persist in taking me seriously makes me continually lose faith in the forum. That said, with all my sarcasm is a tiny bit of seriousness (or vice versa).

I generally never read his posts, so I wouldn't know. And the share of sexists on here is so high you never know if people are serious, semi-serious or just cynical when they say things like that.  The word badass is generally a trigger word for me - filled with admiration for jerks and scumbags. Also serial rape is no laughing matter - especially if you know rape victims personally, as I do.
But what the heck, it just remind me why I took a 5 month break from the forum - probably shouldn't have come back.
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2013, 10:34:51 pm »

I'm pretty sure Cath is trolling you guys...

Thank you! The fact that some people persist in taking me seriously makes me continually lose faith in the forum. That said, with all my sarcasm is a tiny bit of seriousness (or vice versa).
I knew you were trolling, but for the first time and probably the last, I was still actually somewhat shocked by a joke (I thought a Stern fan like myself was incapable of that).
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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2013, 10:39:31 pm »

I'm pretty sure Cath is trolling you guys...

Thank you! The fact that some people persist in taking me seriously makes me continually lose faith in the forum. That said, with all my sarcasm is a tiny bit of seriousness (or vice versa).
I knew you were trolling, but for the first time and probably the last, I was still actually somewhat shocked by a joke (I thought a Stern fan like myself was incapable of that).

The badassery was relegated to the Black Panther --> Reagan conservative thing. The best of both worlds. The rape-related information was new news that I nevertheless had to role with.
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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2013, 11:19:30 pm »

HO, and that's before I begin to think about what they thought about women's rights.
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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2013, 11:21:12 pm »

HO, and that's before I begin to think about what they thought about women's rights.

>implying that you or any of the Republicans on this board care about women's rights

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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2013, 12:01:12 am »

HO, and that's before I begin to think about what they thought about women's rights.

>implying that you or any of the Republicans on this board care about women's rights



TNF's right.
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« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2013, 09:18:22 am »

HO, and that's before I begin to think about what they thought about women's rights.

>implying that you or any of the Republicans on this board care about women's rights



I think we have a different conception of what 'women's rights' actually means.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2013, 09:36:31 am »

Again, just in case you missed it the first time:

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The 1967 convention took an egalitarian turn by eliminating the Presidential and Vice-Presidential offices and replacing them with a National Secretary (20 year old Mike Spiegel), an Education Secretary (Texan Bob Pardun of the Austin chapter), and an Inter‑organizational Secretary (former VP Carl Davidson). A clear direction for a national program was not set but they did manage to pass strong resolutions on the draft, resistance within the Army itself, and they made a call for immediate withdrawal from Vietnam. A women's liberation resolution on the issue of male chauvinism was passed by conference attendees, for the first time.

Would you guys call Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party a "Horrible Organization" because a lot of the members thought the blacks should be moved to Africa?  Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2013, 09:50:33 am »

Would you guys call Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party a "Horrible Organization" because a lot of the members thought the blacks should be moved to Africa?  Jesus Christ.

No but I wouldn't call it a "Freedom Organization" either. This is a reasonable result of the options being so damned absolute in these polls. Most people and groups contain elements of greatness and awfulness alike. Posters at times shy from a "freedom" vote if it means implying something nice about something terrible, and yet in casting a "horrible" vote one tends to overlook some of the positive things about a bloke or organization.
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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2013, 10:40:49 am »

Again, just in case you missed it the first time:

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The 1967 convention took an egalitarian turn by eliminating the Presidential and Vice-Presidential offices and replacing them with a National Secretary (20 year old Mike Spiegel), an Education Secretary (Texan Bob Pardun of the Austin chapter), and an Inter‑organizational Secretary (former VP Carl Davidson). A clear direction for a national program was not set but they did manage to pass strong resolutions on the draft, resistance within the Army itself, and they made a call for immediate withdrawal from Vietnam. A women's liberation resolution on the issue of male chauvinism was passed by conference attendees, for the first time.

Would you guys call Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party a "Horrible Organization" because a lot of the members thought the blacks should be moved to Africa?  Jesus Christ.

Isn't it odd how liberals overlook the faults of liberal politicians (FDR interning the Japanese, Truman nuking Japan twice, JFK getting us involved in Vietnam, LBJ continuing mass slaughter in Vietnam for no reason, Carter doing nothing of value at all, Clinton signing NAFTA, welfare reform, etc) and liberal organizations (like the 1860s GOP, which wanted to deport blacks to Africa, as did Lincoln up until very late in the war) but fixate themselves on a sole failure of radical or conservative organizations? Or have a marked inability to judge historical figures by the standards of their own day?
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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2013, 11:54:28 am »

Aye, TNF, there are double-standards and such. Though a bit sympathetic to Carter on account of his intentions, I have yet to be convinced that any of our other U.S. Presidents were clearly FFs in a way nothing nauseatingly horrible could detract from. I dislike judging people by contemporary standards though. It makes it too easy to romanticize and laud people who thought and often did terrible things. There is a difference between thinking poorly of a historical figure and thinking their contributions to society did no good.
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