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« Reply #100 on: January 09, 2014, 04:21:13 PM »

Oakvale is fine.

The Pacific certainly does need to pass that constitution sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #101 on: January 09, 2014, 06:43:59 PM »

Hey Senate, as Pacific Justice I just authorized the appointment of Oakvale:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=180687.msg4011061#msg4011061

I felt this was necessary because of federalism concerns. Basically his authority can be limited by Federal law or Executive Orders (so put whatever you want in this bill, plus if you want to delegate stuff to the President you can). He's in office for the duration of a state of emergency which can be ended on the Federal level either by a Senate resolution or a Presidential executive order.
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« Reply #102 on: January 09, 2014, 07:13:53 PM »

Does anyone know the current text of this bill? I am probably going to just write up my own version of what I'd like to see and present it here, but I don't even know where we are right now.

We are throwing around a lot of ideas, which is great, and I think we seem to be on the same page. I just want to know where we are so I can amend accordingly.
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« Reply #103 on: January 09, 2014, 07:29:19 PM »
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« Reply #104 on: January 09, 2014, 07:31:44 PM »

dated from the time modified of course.
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« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2014, 07:53:08 PM »

We are currently fixing the constitution, but like any ConCon, (even though this is not an official constitution), it takes time. The Great Reform Amendment should go to ratification by the people this month.
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« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2014, 08:36:59 PM »

I would rather dispose of the committee idea- with few exceptions, these have proven to be unfruitful, slow, and bureaucratic in this game, and I would rather have some sort of swift execution with specific guidelines provided by the Senate in this bill.
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« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2014, 08:39:48 PM »

I would rather dispose of the committee idea- with few exceptions, these have proven to be unfruitful, slow, and bureaucratic in this game, and I would rather have some sort of swift execution with specific guidelines provided by the Senate in this bill.

This is my goal. I want us to basically give them a set of guidelines to follow in order to receive each installment of money we plan to give them, i.e. pass the constitution, lower their tax rate, etc. We can waive the payroll tax here at the federal level. Oakvale is serving me and will hopefully give us an idea of what we need to include in the final bill that we pass. He knows a lot more about the situation that I do, admittedly.
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« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2014, 09:14:00 PM »

Due to the temporary constitution introduced by Oakvale, the constitution clause would be irrelevant. The Great Reform Amendment is likely to pass soon anyway, so it's largely unnecessary.
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« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2014, 09:26:45 PM »

I'd be fine with doing away with the committee. People were fine with it back a couple pages ago, so I kept it in there, but I'm totally fine with a more efficient method.
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« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2014, 08:53:24 AM »

Hi Senators, I'll just update you all briefly on the recent events in the Pacific.

As the regional judiciary has granted my office temporary emergency powers I'm taking some drastic steps to alleviate the crisis. I have, by the powers vested in me, directly passed a new, functioning Constitution. To avoid political bickering and NMAM hijinks I have also temporarily suspended the Pacific legislature.

This morning I will be announcing budgetary and spending reforms in order to bring the Pacific's fiscal house in order and make it clear to both the federal government and the markets that the Pacific is serious about reforming.

My hope is that normal operations in the Pacific will be able to resume soon and I will shift to a more advisory/oversight role.
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« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2014, 12:04:33 PM »

What are the tax rates at the moment for the pacific? Trying to gather all the info I can...
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« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2014, 12:55:52 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2014, 01:23:04 PM by Governor PJ »

What are the tax rates at the moment for the pacific? Trying to gather all the info I can...
Last year's awful budget.

EDIT: Actually, due to Oakvale's changes, it's now a flat tax.
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« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2014, 01:37:55 PM »

What are the tax rates at the moment for the pacific? Trying to gather all the info I can...
Last year's awful budget.

EDIT: Actually, due to Oakvale's changes, it's now a flat tax.

Either way, I am about to turn your world upside down. Tongue
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« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2014, 02:24:09 PM »

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Here are some changes I made to it recently. I feel comfortable delegating a large portion early on assuming our biggest demands are met, and if we have Oakvale and the rest of the Committee there, I trust the money will be spent wisely. I also want to give the Manager oversight to make sure the money isn't spent frivolously.

I figured the tax rates after reviewing the Northeast and Mideast budgets and factoring in the land value and cost of living in the Pacific. Obviously, short term deficits will increase, but I feel with some of these in place, investors and businesses will return to the Pacific, jobs will be created, and we will finally start seeing a meaningful recovery in the region.

This isn't a final draft by any means, but I think it is now a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2014, 02:56:18 PM »

I support the President's amendment.
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« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2014, 04:02:34 PM »

I support this with one exception. The decision of when Oakvale's powers as project manager end is currently under the jurisdiction of the Pacific in accordance with Judicial Decision BK0007, and I would like to keep it that way.
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« Reply #117 on: January 10, 2014, 04:16:16 PM »

Amendment is friendly under the presumption that tmth is adopting it for the President. If he's not, I'll originate the amendment.

Question though: Do we need to cut the sin tax rates? Considering how inelastic the use of those products is, I doubt we'd see much of a relative boost in economic activity from the cut.
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« Reply #118 on: January 10, 2014, 04:18:57 PM »

Amendment is friendly under the presumption that tmth is adopting it for the President. If he's not, I'll originate the amendment.

Question though: Do we need to cut the sin tax rates? Considering how inelastic the use of those products is, I doubt we'd see much of a relative boost in economic activity from the cut.

It may not be necessary, but I thought it would be wise to have them in line with other regions. While those tend to be inelastic, I think there is a certain limit. If we want to revisit this after the amendment if/when the amendment is adopted, I am okay with it.
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« Reply #119 on: January 10, 2014, 05:57:39 PM »

I am going to consider it as Tyrion's amendment and date it from his post since he actually mentioned offering it.
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« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2014, 07:34:56 PM »

The Amendments offered by Tmth early have been adopted.


Are there any revisions in duke's text that are needed to reflect this or no?
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« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2014, 01:16:22 PM »

I had tmth's amendment in my version already, so I don't think anything needs changing except to remove the bold text from section 4.
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« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2014, 01:37:12 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2014, 03:36:56 PM »

Why would stimulus funds be contingent on the adoption of the 4th Constitution? 
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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2014, 03:40:38 PM »

Based on what my advisors have told me, the Pacific doesn't have a functioning constitution and has failed to adopt one months after their fourth one was completed. I think they need to adopt it, so we need to tie their adopting it to the stimulus funds. It is the best way to get it passed quickly. I don't feel comfortable handing them $50 billion without the region formally adopting its constitution.
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