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« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2013, 09:50:15 pm »

Where did the whole "opebo is a pedophile" thing even come from?  Even in that stuff from that other forum that Gully somewhat creepily collected and posted here, he mostly talks about having sex with women in their twenties or thirties and never talks about having sex with anyone under eighteen.
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« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2013, 12:05:47 am »

Yes I do recall opebo was once questioned about this, and he stated he has only once had sex with a woman under 18, it was in Missouri, she was turning 18 in only a few months (and thus legal in Missouri), and he was only about 21 or so.
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« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2013, 01:24:07 am »
« Edited: December 31, 2013, 01:48:14 am by Mr. Morden »


We do now have a fairly serious consistency issue on 'adult' content (and about weirdo forum cults). Probably the forum 'community' ought to discuss it seriously as a 'community' (and so should the moderators. We don't talk nearly enough, actually). Opebo's future on the forum (regrettably as he's been here forever and has sometimes even contributed) has to come into that, for obvious reasons.

Al made this very useful post, but I've seen little or no reaction to it, or to my own in this thread. Most of the discussion has been about the problem, but not about the solution the forum would like from the moderators that would make things more consistent. If those of you who are not mods were mods who are not online 24/7, how would you have handled the threads in question? What trigger points would you set for unilateral mod action as opposed to report-induced action?

No one is on all the time, and everyone takes a break for a day or two.  In the case of a thread that "must go", and no moderators on that board have been active, your internal rule (and perhaps technological prohibition) of not touching another's board, "must go".   When you, muon, see something that can't wait for the appropriate mod(s) to log on, why can't you go in and delete the thread yourself?  This wouuld be helpful in the extreme cases, and we've had a few that post graphic porn images until they're muted and the mess cleaned up.

That's a nice start toward ridding the place of the really bad stuff, fast.

Right now I can delete and modify posts on my board, but not on others. I can infract reported posts on other boards and that has been used to stop spam or other attacks by muting the source until the board mod can take up the issue, but that doesn't delete anything. Only Nym (and Dave of course) has the broader power you describe. Changing the software controls for other mods to delete or modify certain reported posts would be up to Dave.

Assuming the issue of posts lingering while a mod is awol or simply enjoying life is a valid critical issue, and I'm not sure it is, you guys could request these powers.

Yes, that would work if we lived in a parallel universe where Dave responded to such requests.

Unfortunately, in the universe we currently reside in, we've asked Dave for the very thing you suggest here, and he's ignored us.  Just as he's ignored other requests we've made for changes to moderation abilities to make things easier.  The only requested change he's acted on in the last few years was adding the 50 point infraction, so that we can get sock accounts on mod review in a much less tedious way.

EDIT: And unfortunately, when he created the 50 point infraction, he ignored the part of the request where we asked him to allow Nym to take people off of mod review with the click of a button, in case we ever make a mistake.  So yeah, that's another "fun" thing we're stuck with.  No ability to take people off of mod review if a mistake is made, except to wait out the 5 day sentence.
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« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2013, 04:56:02 am »

Where did the whole "opebo is a pedophile" thing even come from?  Even in that stuff from that other forum that Gully somewhat creepily collected and posted here, he mostly talks about having sex with women in their twenties or thirties and never talks about having sex with anyone under eighteen.

He denies being a pedophile himself, but has repeatedly stated that he applauds their "fight for freedom".  To rape children.
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« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2013, 04:20:10 pm »

Atlas Forum is a private institution. Dave is the supreme authority, and he has delegated powers to the moderators. If Dave finds a moderator action or decision questionable, he can reverse it. This is NOT a democracy. This forum is not the entire f[inks]ing universe. It is not it’s own country, and we are not, in any conceivable way, “citizens.” What the moderators do on this forum will not stop Opebo from being Opebo in real life, something most of Opebo’s cult devotees do not understand.
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« Reply #80 on: December 31, 2013, 06:14:35 pm »

Atlas Forum is a private institution. Dave is the supreme authority, and he has delegated powers to the moderators. If Dave finds a moderator action or decision questionable, he can reverse it. This is NOT a democracy.

silly stuff like this has been push as a Moderator-apologetic for years now.  once again.  while the Forum *could* operate in this fashion and nothing could stop it, there's nothing to say that a) it *should* operate in this fashion, and that b) the Community should not act to prevent it, to imagine a different kind of Community.

the fact that most or all Moderator actions are only most tenuously tied back to words Leip has spoken, and instead represent a form of bureaucratic imperative, only can strengthen our position here.  there is every reason to believe Leip would be completely OK with a wide variety of outcomes.
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« Reply #81 on: January 01, 2014, 08:17:20 am »

1. There are clear "codes of conduct" for the forum:

Types of posts that are deleted or modified: personal attacks, profanity/vulgarity, discrimination/hatefulness, trolling/baiting, spam.

Note that immediate ban or mod review can be implemented for more serious violations. 

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Some Guidelines (will continue to add to this list)
Personal Attacks: Personal attacks include extraneous words in a post that demean the poster you are debating, such as I disagree, you "*$#" (fill in the blank) or "I'm not sure that you can comprehend this, but ..."  All personal attacks are deleted when reported.  Veiled or subtle attacks will also be deleted when reported. 

Profanity and Vulgarity: Please refrain from using profanity and vulgarity.  Such posts are subject to deletion or modification when reported.

Discrimination and Hateful Speech: Posts deemed to be discriminatory or hateful against other posters or groups in general due to race, religion, etc. are deleted when reported.

Empty Quoting: One empty quote can be considered agreement with the statement.  Although I prefer you add your own words, I'm ok with reasonable levels.  Empty quoting yourself to bump a thread or to try to reiterate your position is considered spam.

Bumping old threads: bumping a very old thread with little substance (especially with an empty quote) is considered spam.  You can revitalize an old thread if there is new information to discuss or new members whom would like to engage in quality discussions.

As long as these codes of conduct have not been altered or amended (which I am not aware of, though I didn't look through all posts in the thread cited above), every mod should be able to justify action taken on the listed criteria. Any further interpretation of what Dave wants this site to contain or not is arbitrary, and should not be a base for moderator action.

2. I understand the desire to keep the Atlas open to visit from school computers. I wasn't aware of it - I am neither in the age group, nor reside in a country where it matters much - but I think it is a legitimate concern. If so, the Rules of Conduct need to be amended by Dave or another legitimised instance (is there something like a Mods' council?), preferably with clear guidance on which words should be avoided (e.g. pr0n). Such an amended Code of Conduct needs to be communicated in an appropriate way (PM to all members?). Rather than deleting posts or complete threads, posters should be made aware of their potential trespasses by PMs or a "Warning!!" post in the thread concerned. The latter is something every forum member can do, without needing to alert Mods and waiting for their action.

3. I have no respect for sexual exploitation in third world countries or elsewhere. I also think that it is legitimate to discuss such issues on a site that is devoted to US and international politics. However, I don't feel it appropriate to personalise a discussion, and I wish for every forum member to respect the privacy of other members. If off-Forum events related to a Forum member come up to another member, this can and IMO should be discussed via other channels, e.g. PM.
Having said that - as long as there is no explicit privacy policy defined and communicated for the Forum, any violation of privacy is not to be dealt with by Mods in their capacity as Mods (which, of course, does not mean they can't address the issue as ordinary Forum member, via PM or posting a comment).
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« Reply #82 on: January 01, 2014, 09:17:20 am »

3. I have no respect for sexual exploitation in third world countries or elsewhere. I also think that it is legitimate to discuss such issues on a site that is devoted to US and international politics.

The underlined is inappropriate, offensive, and out-of-date.  Thailand is a middle-income country now - that is, you could call it 'developing country' without being too offensive, though with only a little degree of accuracy. 



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« Reply #83 on: January 01, 2014, 11:19:48 am »
« Edited: January 01, 2014, 11:27:15 am by Franknburger »

3. I have no respect for sexual exploitation in third world countries or elsewhere. I also think that it is legitimate to discuss such issues on a site that is devoted to US and international politics.

The underlined is inappropriate, offensive, and out-of-date.  Thailand is a middle-income country now - that is, you could call it 'developing country' without being too offensive, though with only a little degree of accuracy.  

What makes you think I was speaking about Thailand? My intention is to de-personalise the whole discussion, and move the attention away from a specific incident to a general lack of clear guidance to forum members and moderators as concerns privacy and ensuring the site may be accessed by minors.

Let me add that I think there need to be clearer rules about what is profanity and vulgarity. If the line is drawn at displaying nudity, threads like the one below, which IMO has every right to be posted on this forum, would need to be removed as well:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=184589.0
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« Reply #84 on: January 01, 2014, 02:32:51 pm »

What makes you think I was speaking about Thailand?

Well, regardless, the term 'third world' is considered offensive throughout the world, particularly in the developing or 'lower-income' countries so labelled.
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« Reply #85 on: January 02, 2014, 12:46:58 am »


We do now have a fairly serious consistency issue on 'adult' content (and about weirdo forum cults). Probably the forum 'community' ought to discuss it seriously as a 'community' (and so should the moderators. We don't talk nearly enough, actually). Opebo's future on the forum (regrettably as he's been here forever and has sometimes even contributed) has to come into that, for obvious reasons.

Al made this very useful post, but I've seen little or no reaction to it, or to my own in this thread. Most of the discussion has been about the problem, but not about the solution the forum would like from the moderators that would make things more consistent. If those of you who are not mods were mods who are not online 24/7, how would you have handled the threads in question? What trigger points would you set for unilateral mod action as opposed to report-induced action?

No one is on all the time, and everyone takes a break for a day or two.  In the case of a thread that "must go", and no moderators on that board have been active, your internal rule (and perhaps technological prohibition) of not touching another's board, "must go".   When you, muon, see something that can't wait for the appropriate mod(s) to log on, why can't you go in and delete the thread yourself?  This wouuld be helpful in the extreme cases, and we've had a few that post graphic porn images until they're muted and the mess cleaned up.

That's a nice start toward ridding the place of the really bad stuff, fast.

Mod-hater doesn't even know moderators can't moderate outside their own boards. Who could have guessed...
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« Reply #86 on: January 02, 2014, 11:55:48 am »

Mod-hater doesn't even know moderators can't moderate outside their own boards. Who could have guessed...

How could a non-mod know anything about the moderator system?  It is opaque and unresponsive.
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« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2014, 06:15:19 pm »

I don't care if opebo is banned or not because his existence on this forum is something that I can pretty easily ignore if I have a problem with it (and I do find it, you know, repulsive), I just want this "we want this forum to be easily viewable by children" crap to either be stuck to consistently, or discarded and the rules succinctly re-written.

Well said.  After reading some of the disturbing comments in the Interracial Dating thread there is no way I would want my child reading this forum.  The idea that is forum is "kid friendly" is a joke.
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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2014, 02:50:52 pm »

Mod-hater doesn't even know moderators can't moderate outside their own boards. Who could have guessed...

How could a non-mod know anything about the moderator system?  It is opaque and unresponsive.

No it isn't. We talk about the rules frequently and this rule has always been in place and has been mentioned on the forum so many times it'd be almost impossible to miss if one took an interest. And one would think a person would want to know a little about an institution before criticizing it.
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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2014, 05:24:06 pm »

x Sol

Ban Opebo right now.
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« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2014, 11:15:05 pm »

x Sol

Ban Opebo right now.
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