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« on: December 30, 2013, 05:27:15 PM »



So Anelka makes the above salute which he says isn't anti-semitic and is just in support of his friend the French 'comedian' Dieudonné M'bala. M'bala says he also isn't anti-semitic just because he has skits in which he gave a heroism award to French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson with the 'award' was presented by a man in a concentration camp uniform, complete with a yellow star.

Samir Nazri made the salute outside Manchester City's stadium. But he claims he didn't know either.



Neither did this man, making the salute outside the Ozar Hatorah Jewish school in Toulouse, where Mohammed Merah murdered three children and a teacher in 2012



And these people certainly don't know what it means. The old man in the middle has never seen it before in his life.



So in summary. No one knows what it means but if it means anything it's definitely not anti-semitic. Just so you know.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 06:19:52 PM »

Despicable creeps.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 04:51:12 AM »

Oh cool, more reasons to hate Samir Nasri. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2013, 05:18:34 AM »

Anti-Semitism is on the rise in France as well as other European countries so this doesn't surprise me at all.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 05:45:14 AM »

Actually, of course, it was invented (yes, by Dieudonné M'bala. Who IS an antisemite... but that's not all he is) and popularized as a sort of jocular disrespectful anti-establishmentarian salute without any jewish context whatsoever. It has been used by its inventor in one of his anti-Israel rants years later.

If you claim the Tutsi ritually sacrifice little children for Easter, does that make you an Antisemite? Because claiming this thing is antisemitic regardless of who it's addressed at is the exact same brainfarty non-logic.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 12:02:23 AM »

Could someone translate this for Americans?  I've never seen this before.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 10:52:38 PM »
« Edited: January 02, 2014, 12:11:03 PM by Stranger in a strange land »

Could someone translate this for Americans?  I've never seen this before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenelle_(gesture)
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 01:11:17 AM »


That has not been written yet.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 01:13:11 AM »

It has, but he copypasted the link incorrectly. Here is the entry.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 01:56:01 AM »

Could someone translate this for Americans?  I've never seen this before.

Yeah, this thread gives me absolutely no context to make any sort of comment about this utterly foreign phenomenon.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 01:42:45 PM »


Somehow reminds me of a zogist salute


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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2014, 08:36:57 AM »

Well, to clarify things, there is absolutely no doubt in the French public opinion that this gesture is a euphemistic version of the Nazi salute, and that it has indeed a background of antisemitism. However, as people nowadays are morons, the salute is also made by people that claim they are only using it against "the System", in a revolted manner.

They fail to see that "the System" is an utterly extreme-right-wing concept to begin with, that opposition to "the System" without specifying said system is never apolitical, and they also fail to see how long a way Dieudonné (it's M'bala M'bala, actually) has come for the last ten years.

One of his children has Jean-Marie Le Pen as godfather for fukc's sake. He's been openly antisemitic while claiming to be "anti-Zionist" for a number of years now. How can one truly believe his gesture doesn't have any relation with the Nazi salute that it basically becomes just if you care to raise your arm a bit ?

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Anti-Semitism is on the rise in France as well as other European countries so this doesn't surprise me at all.
No.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 12:01:59 PM »

Oh and also Sad
Anti-Semitism is on the rise in France as well as other European countries so this doesn't surprise me at all.
No.

A majority of French Jews beg to differ.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10436561/Anti-Semitism-is-on-the-rise-finds-survey-of-European-Jewish-people.html
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 01:12:29 PM »

Well, if we are going to start on this, do not forget possible future India PM Modi doing the RSS salute with his fell RSS cadres.

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2014, 10:43:51 AM »

Yes, let's ask the Jews and only them to know if anti-semitism is on the rise. Because they are obviously the most impartial to tell if it is or not.

I'm not saying there is not anti-semitism going on in France or Europe, I just don't think, in the case of France, it is any worse than what it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. There is a permanent nearly inexhaustible draught of anti-semitism in France.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2014, 11:14:10 AM »

Yes, let's ask the Jews and only them to know if anti-semitism is on the rise. Because they are obviously the most impartial to tell if it is or not.

I'm not saying there is not anti-semitism going on in France or Europe, I just don't think, in the case of France, it is any worse than what it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. There is a permanent nearly inexhaustible draught of anti-semitism in France.

It is difficult to scientifically determine whether anti-Semitism is on the rise or not. It is possible to look at the number of reported incidents directed at Jews but that's only one side of the coin. Clearly, a very important factor in determining whether there are growing anti-Semitic Sentiments in a particular area is to ask Jews what they experience in their everyday lives. That's obviously a somewhat subjective approach but essential to get a view of the overall picture.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2014, 11:05:05 PM »

Would be interesting to see who the perpetrators are behind this "rise" in antisemitism. I think its a safe bet over 80% of antisemitic incidents in France are perpetrated by Muslims.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2014, 02:40:37 AM »

Well, if we are going to start on this, do not forget possible future India PM Modi doing the RSS salute with his fell RSS cadres.



Though the Indian right wing likes Jews and the RSS has ties with zionist groups.
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 02:06:40 PM »

It looks like the FA are going to throw the book at Nicolas Anelka over his quenelle goal celebration.
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 02:23:05 PM »
« Edited: January 22, 2014, 02:25:12 PM by Horus »


Supposedly the head of the French equivalent of the ADL has stated that the quenelle is only anti-semitic when performed outside of holocaust museums and the like. Lost the article, will try to find it again.

Either way, all of this is extremely silly for a gesture. But that's European nanny-state politics for you I guess.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2014, 02:43:06 PM »


Supposedly the head of the French equivalent of the ADL has stated that the quenelle is only anti-semitic when performed outside of holocaust museums and the like. Lost the article, will try to find it again.

So Anelka says, yes.

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Would you say that if a footballer had done an actual Nazi salute?  (Anyway, at least in the UK, it isn't the state, it's the Football Association.)
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2014, 02:49:57 PM »


Supposedly the head of the French equivalent of the ADL has stated that the quenelle is only anti-semitic when performed outside of holocaust museums and the like. Lost the article, will try to find it again.

So Anelka says, yes.

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Would you say that if a footballer had done an actual Nazi salute?  (Anyway, at least in the UK, it isn't the state, it's the Football Association.)

Of course not, but my point is it is not a Nazi salute, so the punishment is outrageous.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2014, 03:03:22 PM »


Supposedly the head of the French equivalent of the ADL has stated that the quenelle is only anti-semitic when performed outside of holocaust museums and the like. Lost the article, will try to find it again.

So Anelka says, yes.

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Would you say that if a footballer had done an actual Nazi salute?  (Anyway, at least in the UK, it isn't the state, it's the Football Association.)

Of course not, but my point is it is not a Nazi salute, so the punishment is outrageous.

But it can't be an example of "European nanny-state politics" if it isn't even being done by the state. If an NBA/NFL/MLB player did something that the league thought was racist the league would definitely punish the player.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2014, 04:24:16 PM »

Yes, let's ask the Jews and only them to know if anti-semitism is on the rise. Because they are obviously the most impartial to tell if it is or not.

Because non-Jews are in a better position to evaluate whether or not Jews are increasingly targeted by anti-Semites?
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2014, 06:48:32 PM »

The issue is that football is not regarded as a 'safe space' by a lot of people; in recent decades footballing authorities have (rather belatedly, but whatever) come to terms with this fact, and so now stamp down on the sort of behavior they would once have blissfully tolerated.
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