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« Reply #125 on: January 29, 2014, 10:43:41 am »

MSM seems to like it. Rules would have to be changed. The senators were naturally extremely pissed, or "a very difficult discussion" as JT put it. Hurts staffers too. Did I mention the Liberals opposed an NDP motion that proposed exactly what he did today, in October? Pathetic.
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« Reply #126 on: January 29, 2014, 11:17:34 am »

Not only absurd, but a stone faced lie.

Oops, I hadn't heard the news- didn't realize he was doing this now.

It is kind of absurd, it's hard to keep the institution apolitical, especially if there are still Conservatives there. The Senate's not the Supreme Court, after all. In Canada though, it's possible to make the Senate somewhat apolitical, because the Supreme Court is appointed in a similar matter, and it is fairly apolitical. Canada is not the U.S. But what's to stop either institution from becoming political in the future, though?
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« Reply #127 on: January 29, 2014, 11:23:27 am »

Nothing. Senate has enough of a discipline problem already, as I've discussed. These Liberals are still Liberals in all but the most formal sense. Imagine a hypothetical minority PM Trudeau next year, with a Tory supermajority in the Senate and hostile ex-Liberals. Here's an idea for Senate "reform": Parliament Act equivalent. Override mechanism is long overdue.
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« Reply #128 on: January 29, 2014, 11:28:21 am »

Also, I'm disappointed in Trudeau's lack of vision - he says he doesn't want to re-open the constitution? What's wrong with that? The system's broken, let's fix it. At least Harper wants to fix it.

Easy solution: Let's have a referendum. Give Canadians 3 choices: Abolish, reform or maintain. Use AV to ensure one of the options gets a majority. Winning option gets a mandate for constitutional reform (or lackthereof).
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« Reply #129 on: January 29, 2014, 11:38:51 am »

The idea of a 'non-partisan' or 'independent' upper house is almost always retarded to begin with.
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« Reply #130 on: January 29, 2014, 12:03:35 pm »

The idea of a 'non-partisan' or 'independent' upper house is almost always retarded to begin with.

The cross bench doesn't make the UK upper house any more democratic.
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« Reply #131 on: January 29, 2014, 02:52:21 pm »

Not only absurd, but a stone faced lie.

Oops, I hadn't heard the news- didn't realize he was doing this now.

It is kind of absurd, it's hard to keep the institution apolitical, especially if there are still Conservatives there. The Senate's not the Supreme Court, after all. In Canada though, it's possible to make the Senate somewhat apolitical, because the Supreme Court is appointed in a similar matter, and it is fairly apolitical. Canada is not the U.S. But what's to stop either institution from becoming political in the future, though?

The fact they are nominated for life makes them more apolitical, senators can oppose the will of their party without having to fear to lose next election.

On a unrelated subject, the longest-serving Quebec MNA and vice-Premier, was rushed to the hospital and hospitalized for chest pains, this morning.
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« Reply #132 on: January 29, 2014, 05:57:31 pm »

For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".
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« Reply #133 on: January 29, 2014, 06:11:27 pm »

Most likely it will be repealed in 2015, too.
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« Reply #134 on: January 29, 2014, 07:57:33 pm »

This is beyond absurd: Trudeau said all Liberal senators will sit as Indies and if elected, he'll make "non-partisan" appointments.

This is serious! Less than half of his caucus was elected in 2011, the majority being unelected Senators, so he's shut out over half of his party's representation on the Hill!
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« Reply #135 on: January 29, 2014, 08:51:44 pm »

Please recognize my greatness (or the disgusting copyright violation from Macleans).

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/12/20/justin-bieber-vs-justin-trudeau/
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« Reply #136 on: January 29, 2014, 09:13:00 pm »

Speaking of Bieber, he's been arraigned on assault charges in Toronto.

New EKOS out: 33.2/29.7/24.3
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« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2014, 09:46:35 am »

Speaking of Bieber, he's been arraigned on assault charges in Toronto.

New EKOS out: 33.2/29.7/24.3

Told you we'd have a poll out Smiley

This is one I worked on. (Not the analysis though, so Hash- don't complain about spelling mistakes!)

Poll details: http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2014/01/closer-race-as-parliament-begins-january-30-2014/
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« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2014, 10:34:40 am »

For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".

Obviously the best kind of nonsense ever peddled by a democratic government.
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« Reply #139 on: January 30, 2014, 10:56:43 am »

For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".

Obviously the best kind of nonsense ever peddled by a democratic government.

My favorite part of the throne speech other than "CANADA IS A NORTHERN COUNTRY".
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« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2014, 09:35:49 am »

Now they're fighting in public and are royally pissed at Trudeau. Grin
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« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2014, 11:58:34 am »

Official transposition of the 2011 results on the new ridings now available by Elections Canada: http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=cir/trans2013&document=index&lang=e
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« Reply #142 on: January 31, 2014, 07:10:56 pm »

Conrad Black has been stripped of his Order of Canada and PC by the government.
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« Reply #143 on: January 31, 2014, 07:40:46 pm »

Conrad Black has been stripped of his Order of Canada and PC by the government.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #144 on: February 01, 2014, 09:41:37 am »

Poilievre confirmed on The House that he'll table the Fair Elections Act next week. That's probably our only non-budgetary bill of consequence this sitting. Tongue
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« Reply #145 on: February 01, 2014, 08:47:28 pm »

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/toronto-mayor-ticketed-for-jaywalking/story-fn3dxix6-1226815982956

Rob Ford got ticketed for Jaywalking in Vancouver... I'm almost curious if the Toronto PD has some sort of tail on him now...
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« Reply #146 on: February 01, 2014, 09:29:31 pm »

Poilievre confirmed on The House that he'll table the Fair Elections Act next week. That's probably our only non-budgetary bill of consequence this sitting. Tongue

News are talking of the new prostitution bill (must be passed before December). Logically, it's for this sitting or the fall one?
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« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2014, 11:58:11 am »

Yves Ryan has died at 85.

PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.

Romanow doesn't like Sherbrooke.
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« Reply #148 on: February 02, 2014, 05:31:24 pm »

PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.
 

They can't find him a safe seat in Montreal?
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« Reply #149 on: February 02, 2014, 05:54:31 pm »

He has Outremont, among the safest of safe seats, right now but wants an uphill battle in Roberval because he lives there. Strange considering he has no real geographic attachment like Charest with his hometown of Sherbrooke. Couillard has represented Montreal Island and Quebec City in the past.
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