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« Reply #1525 on: June 16, 2015, 08:45:27 am »

Really, you think the NDP can hold them?
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« Reply #1526 on: June 16, 2015, 10:25:08 am »

Notley revealed her secret plan to turn Alberta into a Hoxhaist paradise

PCA only party against banning corporate donations, unsurprisingly.
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« Reply #1527 on: June 16, 2015, 10:42:08 am »

Metro crunches the numbers on how Alberta parties would be affected.
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Progressive Conservatives:
Total raised: $825,318.25
Total raised that would now be banned: $620,276.56
Largest now banned donor: Insurance Bureau of Canada: $13,500

New Democratic Party:
Total raised: $406,883.36
Total raised that would now be banned: $53,464.37
Largest now banned donor: Canadian Union of Public Employees: $15,000

Wildrose:
Total raised: $355,091.61
Total raised that would now be banned: $1,000
Largest now banned donor: Gordan Buchannan Enterprises and TMS Trucking: $500 each

Alberta Party:
Total raised: $109,272.59
Total raised that would now be banned: $34,525
Largest now banned donor: Kornelson Holdings Ltd.: $15,000

Alberta Liberals:
Total raised: $110,764.52
Total raised that would now be banned: $6,450
Largest now banned donor: Empress Group Ltd.: $5,000

Bye bye PC.
Looks like WR has the least effect. Few union or corporate donations for them I suppose. But it will hurt them in the future, since the PC corporate funding would have made WR it's new home if not for this change.
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« Reply #1528 on: June 16, 2015, 10:54:41 am »

lol, PCs only raised $200K from regular people? Probably mostly the wealthy, too.
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« Reply #1529 on: June 16, 2015, 11:04:48 am »

lol, PCs only raised $200K from regular people? Probably mostly the wealthy, too.
#mathishard
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« Reply #1530 on: June 16, 2015, 05:52:47 pm »

lol, PCs only raised $200K from regular people? Probably mostly the wealthy, too.

Why people would give money to the Corporations Party?
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« Reply #1531 on: June 16, 2015, 08:48:22 pm »

Really, you think the NDP can hold them?

Sure. The polls aren't that far off of the 2013 result and those two ridings are one of the few places with a decent number of tribal NDP voters.
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« Reply #1532 on: June 17, 2015, 05:04:04 am »

A positive review of the NDP Throne Speech by well-respected Conservative and former Director of Communications for Wildrose, Brock Harrison.
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« Reply #1533 on: June 17, 2015, 12:58:25 pm »

Just wondering, but how would a hypothetical NDP government abolish the Senate. Would it be via a simple Act, or a referendum, or would the provinces all have to agree etc.? Would it even be constitutional to abolish the upper house in a federal system?
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« Reply #1534 on: June 17, 2015, 01:00:59 pm »

Unanimous provincial consent for a constitutional amendment.
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« Reply #1535 on: June 17, 2015, 01:18:58 pm »

Unanimous provincial consent for a constitutional amendment.

I see. So what are the chances of that? I assume zero?
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« Reply #1536 on: June 17, 2015, 01:29:40 pm »

You assume correctly.
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« Reply #1537 on: June 17, 2015, 04:21:50 pm »

Really, you think the NDP can hold them?

Sure. The polls aren't that far off of the 2013 result and those two ridings are one of the few places with a decent number of tribal NDP voters.

Yes, but the NDP wont have the incumbent advantage.
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« Reply #1538 on: June 17, 2015, 05:27:22 pm »

I am assuming that the Atlantic and Maritime provinces love the Senate ? The smaller provinces have a bit of geographic affirmative action, being over represented in comparison to their actual populations.

Quebec would probably favor it as well as their nunber of Senate seats are locked in, while they are declining as a share of the national population.
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« Reply #1539 on: June 17, 2015, 05:35:54 pm »

Having disproportionate representation is the one reason I'd be in favour of splitting Ontario into multiple provinces. Once the provinces of Southwestern Ontario, Greater Toronto, Eastern Ontario, Northern Ontario, and Central Ontario rise from the ashes we'll finally get the representation we (in SWON) deserve but don't get because the GTA has too many people.
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« Reply #1540 on: June 17, 2015, 06:56:16 pm »

Would a national referendum be possible a la the Charlottetown Accord?
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« Reply #1541 on: June 17, 2015, 08:38:08 pm »

Don Meredith allegedly had an affair with a teenaged girl.
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« Reply #1542 on: June 17, 2015, 08:55:42 pm »

Would a national referendum be possible a la the Charlottetown Accord?

No. Referendums don't have national legal force.

As RB said, both houses of Parliament and all the legislatures must pass amendments to the constitution. Three provinces (BC, Alberta & Quebec), have laws on their books stating that constitutional amendments must pass a referendum in that province before the legislature can assent to it, but there is no mechanism for a national referendum to have legal force. The Charlottetown referendum was more about avoiding the perception of unfairness that would have resulted if only three provinces got to vote.

A bill abolishing the Senate could win massively in a referendum, and still not change anything so long as a single legislature was against it.
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« Reply #1543 on: June 17, 2015, 09:00:59 pm »

Meredith's been expelled from caucus.
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« Reply #1544 on: June 17, 2015, 09:08:47 pm »

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Quebec would probably favor it as well as their nunber of Senate seats are locked in, while they are declining as a share of the national population.

The Quebec premier is opposed to abolishing the Senate. I think he sees it functioning like a chanber of regions, provinces would submit a list of candidates to the federal government to choose from. I'm not sure if citizens would mind if it is abolished.
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« Reply #1545 on: June 17, 2015, 10:25:35 pm »

While a referendum is not legally binding, it is the only thing that would actually bring about change. It gives legitimacy for change. Doesn't mean it would work necessarily.
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« Reply #1546 on: June 19, 2015, 03:14:46 pm »

James Moore not standing for reelection.
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« Reply #1547 on: June 19, 2015, 04:01:42 pm »

Just to be clear, constitutional amendments in Canada don't all require the consent of all provincial legislatures. The procedure varies based on the subject matter of the amendment. Parliament + all provincial legislatures is the most difficult requirement, and it applies only to changes to:

- the role of the Queen (or governor general etc.)
- the composition of the Supreme Court
- official languages
- the grandfather clause that gets the Atlantic provinces a few extra Commons seats, and
- the amending formula itself

The Supreme Court has ruled, however, that abolishing the Senate counts as amending the amending formula, since one of the Houses needed to pass amendments would be abolished. So that's where the unanimity requirement comes from.
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« Reply #1548 on: June 19, 2015, 07:47:09 pm »

James Moore not standing for reelection.

Too bad, although caring for one's disabled child is about the most noble reason to quit possible.

This leaves the Reds without a leader, although I suspect Michelle Rempel will fill that role soon enough.
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« Reply #1549 on: June 19, 2015, 08:01:54 pm »

Rempel has no interest in leadership.
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