Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins

[RogueBeaver]

Almost as hilarious/disastrous as a Ford-led PCPO: PKP-led PQ, which will happen. Team PKP is Team Boisclair, (so many fond memories).

[RogueBeaver]

Income splitting coming, will be capped at $2k.

First OTR Ghomeshi accuser: actress Lucy DeCoutere. 7 other anonymous accusers, 1 was interviewed tonight on As It Happens.

[Hatman 🍁]

Ricky's gonna be pissed.

[RogueBeaver]

Del Mastro has been found guilty on all charges.

[Boston Bread]

Oh please please please have Doug Ford run for leader of the PCs.

LOL, he may be just the red tory they're looking for.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/31/tories-need-to-be-socially-progressive-doug-ford

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[Mr. Morden]

Surreal:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-attack-mps-fashioned-spears-while-harper-hid-in-closet/article21278580/

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Surreal:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-attack-mps-fashioned-spears-while-harper-hid-in-closet/article21278580/

Kind of an unfair headline. Sounds like he was shoved into a safe place by overzealous MPs.

[RogueBeaver]

Chretien and his wife barricaded themselves in their Sussex bedroom when 24 was broken into by a knife-wielding intruder 19 years ago, wielding an Inuit carving for protection. (RCMP arrived soon)

[MaxQue]

Two news today.

1. Dean Del Mastro, Peterborough, ON MP (Independent, formely Conservative), resigned after being condemned for spending over limits during 2008 elections, for giving more money than legally authorised to his own campaign and for having cooked his books to hide those things.

2. Two Liberal MPs (Scott Andrews, Avalon, NL and Massimo Pacetti, Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel, QC) are suspended from the party after two female NDP MPs complained about sexual harassment from them.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dean-del-mastro-guilty-of-breaking-election-laws-resigns-1.2824943
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-mps-scott-andrews-massimo-pacetti-suspended-from-caucus-amid-harassment-allegations-1.2824396

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2. Two Liberal MPs (Scott Andrews, Avalon, NL and Massimo Pacetti, Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel, QC) are suspended from the party after two female NDP MPs complained about sexual harassment from them.

That's ironic, because Biebertrudeau is the biggest one.

[RogueBeaver]

NDP is very angry at Trudeau for the presser and publicly suspending Andrews/Pacetti, since the 2 victims explicitly didn't want this publicized. Mulcair believes Trudeau politicized it for his own gain, Trudeau's "spitting mad" at that suggestion.

Dipper 1: Confided in Scott Simms, who kept it confidential. Turmel knew some details, as did 1 NDP staffer. MP 1 was offered support and had to take a leave of absence following that incident.

Dipper 2: Confided in Trudeau last week when on the bus back from Cpl. Cirillo's funeral. Then Trudeau asked Foote to meet with the 2 MPs and Turmel. Ivison wondered why the MP confided in Trudeau rather than her own leader.

[Citizen Hats]

I'm really displeased at the manner in which the NDP have reacted to this.  There is no political upside to sexual harassment for the Liberals, and the Liberals know this.  The notion that they did it for their own benefit is ridiculous. 

The argument seems to put the Liberals in a no-win situation where they are either concealing sexual harassment or embarrassing the still unnamed NDP MPs.  Conceilment of the issue is not acceptable from the viewpoint of the work environment of Liberal MPs and Staff who are asked to work with Andrews and Paccetti, whose behavior is undoubtedly not limited to the NDPers in question. 

[RogueBeaver]

NDP staffer is suing QC MP Sylvain Chicoine for wrongful dismissal ($194k) after she was sexually harassed by one of her superiors.

[RogueBeaver]

PKP will announce his leadership bid in 2 weeks. Glorious news.

[useful idiot]

PKP will announce his leadership bid in 2 weeks. Glorious news.

Why is Peladeau so popular with PQ members? Especially considering he is a newcomer, is seen as an odd fit ideologically (aside from sovereignty), and was at the very least unhelpful in the PQ's disastrous election campaign this year?

Lisee has the sovereigntist credentials and a history in the party and Cloutier seems young and fairly serious. What segments of the PQ do each of the candidates represent?

[RogueBeaver]

Poaching the CAQ's clientele and messianism. It'll end no better than Ryan did for the PLQ... perhaps worse.

[DC Al Fine]

The Tories are doing their best to buy my vote. I'm annoyed with them and tempted to spoil my ballot, and along comes income splitting

[RogueBeaver]

Ghiz is resigning upon his successor's election, said he's accomplished most of his goals and wants to spend more time with his family. Selinger has all but expelled the dissenters from caucus.

[Boston Bread]

Waiting to see whether Horwath survives as ONDP leader.

[King of Kensington]

I think she will.  As poorly executed as the last campaign was - and really there's no excuse for sacrificing 3 Toronto MPPs - nobody is waiting in the wings and Andrea Horwath's rhetorical shift to the left is probably enough.

[Boston Bread]

Horwath made the test.
https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/533769193754468352
77% is surprisingly high considering she got a similar number at the height of her popularity. I guess party members are convinced of her newfound commitment to the party base? That and the fact that there isn't a clearly better alternative.
Unfortunately I doubt Horwath's popularity (especially in the GTA) will recover to the levels she would need to be competitive in forming government. Hopefully she proves me wrong.

[KingSweden]

Ghiz is resigning upon his successor's election, said he's accomplished most of his goals and wants to spend more time with his family. Selinger has all but expelled the dissenters from caucus.

RB, who is the most likely Liberal to take over for Ghiz?

[RogueBeaver]

I know nothing of Atlantic politics.

[Hatman 🍁]

That's OK, no one knows anything about PEI politics. Good bet who ever comes next will be a Gaudet (pronounced Good-ee on the island) or Gallant

[DC Al Fine]

That's OK, no one knows anything about PEI politics.

This is true.

Federal Liberals courting former Tory Bill Casey

Of course it can't be true because Casey's pro-life, anti-gay marriage views will prevent Trudeau from signing his nomination papers

h/t Rogue Beaver