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« on: March 05, 2007, 10:01:06 pm »

Social:
Liberal
- I am pro-choice at the state level
- I support civil-unions.
- I support decriminalization of any drug
- I am pro-prostitution.
- I am anti-censorship, within reason.
- I am pro-stem cell research.
- I am tolerant of flag burning, so long as you do it on your own property.
- I support euthanasia.
- I strongly support removing "under god" from the pledge.
- I support evolution
- I oppose school prayer
Mixed
- I am anti-smoking ban.
- I am opposed to illegal immigration, but feel that quotas should be abolished.
Conservative
- I strongly support the death penalty, as well as extending it's use to rapists and child molesters.
- I oppose gay marriage.
- I oppose government sanctioned political correctness.
- I strongly oppose gun control.


Economic:
Liberal:
- I support a tariff on foreign oil
- I support more government research into renewable energy.
Mixed
- I support cutting welfare and other programs, and using the money saved to fund job training.
- I am neutral congressional earmarks.
Conservative
- I strongly oppose affirmative action.
- I support free trade.
- I support dismantling the IRS.
- I generally support businesses over unions.
- I oppose stronger environmental regulations.
- I support privatizing Social Security.
- I would support a balanced budget ammendment.
- I oppose campaign finance reform.
- I oppose raising the minimum wage.
- I oppose increasing funding for public education and NCLB.
- I strongly oppose more government funding for medicaid and other health programs.
- I oppose foreign aid.
- I strongly oppose the FDA, the IRS, and the ATF
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Foreign Policy and Homeland Security:
Liberal:
- I oppose the Patriot Act.
- I oppose NSA wire-tapping.
- I would strongly oppose a draft.
- I oppose the troop surge.
- I oppose increasing military funding.
- I support withdrawal from areas of the world where our presence is unnecesary (i.e. Europe, Afghanistan, Japan)
- I do not believe in going to war with countries that do not pose a direct threat to us.
Mixed:
- I am pro-Israel.
- I support partitioning Iraq.
Conservative:
- I support pulling out of the UN.
- I believe that we need to be aggresive toward Iran and North Korea to stop their nuclear programs
- I do not believe that habeus corpus applies to prisoners of war. (i.e. Gitmo)
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 01:03:03 pm »

I'm going to update this:

Social:
Liberal
- I am pro-choice at the state level
- I support civil-unions.
- I support decriminalization of any drug
- I am pro-prostitution.
- I am anti-censorship, within reason.
- I am pro-stem cell research.
- I am tolerant of flag burning, so long as you do it on your own property.
- I support euthanasia.
- I strongly support removing "under god" from the pledge.
- I support evolution
- I oppose school prayer
Mixed
- I am anti-smoking ban.
- I am opposed to illegal immigration, but feel that quotas should be abolished.
Conservative
- I support the death penalty if DNA evidence is provided.
- I oppose gay marriage.
- I oppose government sanctioned political correctness.
- I strongly oppose gun control.
- I strongly oppose the Fairness Doctrine.

Economic:
Liberal:
- I support a tariff on foreign oil
- I support more research into renewable energy.
Mixed
- I support cutting welfare and other programs, and using the money saved to fund job training.
Conservative
- I strongly oppose affirmative action.
- I support free trade.
- I support dismantling the IRS.
- I generally support businesses over unions.
- I oppose stronger environmental regulations.
- I support privatizing Social Security.
- I would support a balanced budget ammendment.
- I oppose campaign finance reform.
- I oppose raising the minimum wage.
- I oppose increasing funding for public education and NCLB.
- I strongly oppose more government funding for medicaid and other health programs.
- I oppose foreign aid.
- I strongly oppose the FDA.
- I strongly oppose eminent domain.
 
Foreign Policy and Homeland Security:
Liberal:
- I oppose the Patriot Act.
- I oppose NSA wire-tapping.
- I would strongly oppose a draft.
- I oppose the troop surge.
- I oppose increasing military funding.
- I support withdrawal from areas of the world where our presence is unnecesary (i.e. Europe, Afghanistan, Japan)
- I do not believe in going to war with countries that do not pose a direct threat to us.
Mixed:
- I am pro-Israel, but do not support giving them aid.
- I support partitioning Iraq.
Conservative:
- I support pulling out of the UN.
- I believe that we need to be aggresive toward Iran and North Korea to stop their nuclear programs
- I do not believe that habeus corpus applies to prisoners of war. (i.e. Gitmo)
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 11:54:53 am »

Let's see where I've changed:

Social:
Liberal
- I am pro-choice neutral at the state level
- I support civil-unions seperation of marriage and state
- I support decriminalization of any drug
- I am pro-prostitution.
- I am anti-censorship, within reason.
- I am pro-stem cell research. but against funding it with tax dollaws
- I am tolerant of flag burning, so long as you do it on your own property.
- I support euthanasia.
- I strongly support removing "under god" from the pledge.
- I support evolution
- I oppose public schools prayer
Mixed
- I am anti-smoking ban.
- I am opposed to illegal immigration restrictions, but and feel that quotas should be abolished.
Conservative
- I support the death penalty if DNA evidence is provided. the jury is competent and paid voluntarily
- I oppose gay government licensing of marriage.
- I oppose government sanctioned political correctness.
- I strongly oppose gun control.
- I strongly oppose the Fairness Doctrine.

Economic:
Liberal:
- I support strongly oppose a tariff on foreign oil
- I support oppose government more research into renewable energy.
Mixed
- I support cutting welfare and other programs, and using the money saved to fund job training.
Conservative
- I strongly oppose affirmative action.
- I support free trade.
- I support dismantling the IRS.
- I generally support businesses over unions.
- I oppose stronger environmental regulations.
- I support privatizing eliminating Social Security.
- I would support a balanced budget ammendment.
- I oppose campaign finance reform.
- I oppose raising the minimum wage.
- I oppose increasing funding for public education and NCLB.
- I strongly oppose more government funding for medicaid and other health programs.
- I oppose foreign aid.
- I strongly oppose the FDA.
- I strongly oppose eminent domain.
 
Foreign Policy and Homeland Security:
Liberal:
- I oppose the Patriot Act.
- I oppose NSA wire-tapping.
- I would strongly oppose a draft.
- I oppose the troop surge.
- I oppose increasing military funding.
- I support withdrawal from areas of the world where our presence is unnecesary (i.e. Europe, Afghanistan, Japan)
- I do not believe in going to war with countries that do not pose a direct threat to us.
Mixed:
- I am pro-Israel, but do not support giving them aid. pro-non-intervention
- I support partitioning immediate withdrawal from Iraq.
Conservative:
- I support pulling out of the UN.
- I believe that we need to be aggresive toward completely stay out of Iran and North Korea's affairs to stop their nuclear programs
- I do not believe that habeus corpus applies to prisoners of war. (i.e. Gitmo)

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 12:08:15 pm »

So Fezzy, outside of foreign policy, where do we disagree?

The War of Northern Agression.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 01:56:46 pm »

The Pledge of Allegiance is an interesting issue indeed.  The 'under God' nonsense is a complete political albatross for anyone who dares oppose it, not that anyone in federal office would.

The better question is why we ought to have any pledge in the first place.  Regardless of any religious references it might contain.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 11:10:20 pm »

support conservation and animal rights. I also support some wealth redistribution against the ultra elites.

And you say you aren't a National Socialist?
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 06:41:17 pm »

support conservation and animal rights. I also support some wealth redistribution against the ultra elites.

And you say you aren't a National Socialist?

LOL....Nat Soces love animals and fertilized eggs more than the do minorities.

Hitler was an environmentalist and an animal rights activist.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 08:23:16 pm »

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- I oppose public schools prayer

I like this.
Yeah because obviously giving all kids a chance at an education is bad.

If it's a crappy education, then yes.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 08:26:37 pm »

For all it's flaws universal education is still better than nothing at all.

Whose to say that people wouldn't get educated if they didn't steal from others to get it?
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2009, 02:08:03 am »

I'm an anarcho communist, how the hell do I summarize that?

You can't. YOU MUST CHOOSE BETWEEN ANARCHIST OR COMMUNIST! CHOOSE WISELY MY YOUNG PADAWAN!!!


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Why? Anarchism and (small-scale, local, and voluntary) communism are imminently compatible: the word "libertarianism" originally applied to people who today are considered syndicalists and Left Communists. I'm personally an anarcho-capitalist with distributivist tendencies, but I have no problem at all with the idea of anarchic communes.

Funny, you are the first "anarcho-capitalist" that associated criticism with the Constitution with "treason". Since the Constitution doesn't support anarcho-capitalism, I am left to assume that you either describe yourself as "treasonous" or are not an anarcho-capitalist. Additionally, you are the first "anarcho-capitalist" who supported tax hikes. Since anarcho-capitalists view taxation as theft, you must not be an anarcho-capitalist.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2009, 10:54:24 am »

I'm an anarcho communist, how the hell do I summarize that?

You can't. YOU MUST CHOOSE BETWEEN ANARCHIST OR COMMUNIST! CHOOSE WISELY MY YOUNG PADAWAN!!!


WagaWaga

Why? Anarchism and (small-scale, local, and voluntary) communism are imminently compatible: the word "libertarianism" originally applied to people who today are considered syndicalists and Left Communists. I'm personally an anarcho-capitalist with distributivist tendencies, but I have no problem at all with the idea of anarchic communes.

Funny, you are the first "anarcho-capitalist" that associated criticism with the Constitution with "treason". Since the Constitution doesn't support anarcho-capitalism, I am left to assume that you either describe yourself as "treasonous" or are not an anarcho-capitalist. Additionally, you are the first "anarcho-capitalist" who supported tax hikes. Since anarcho-capitalists view taxation as theft, you must not be an anarcho-capitalist.

Is it anarcho-capitalist to believe that the individual has a right to own the means of production, and use them to create his goods for sale at profit? Of course it is. Is it anarcho-capitalist to reject the supply-side mantra that says that not paying down the deficit (hence raising the price on imported goods) is fine, as long as the masses get their incentive to vote for you in the form of a tax rebate? Of course it is. Don't be a twit; your narrow ideological eyeslits have absolutely no bearing on the actual philosophy.

You didn't answer the accusations, but merely gave red herrings and wrapped them up in an ad hominem attack. Anarcho-capitalists don't support taxes, the Constitution, "might makes right", or state ownership of property, yet you are on record for supporting all of these things.

Here you are stating that taxation is okay when the social contract says it is, a position held by no anarcho-capitalists, and stating that state ownership of property is okay:

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You haven't answered how a State can own property when it's income is confiscated from taxpayers?

When that right is granted to the State in its chartering document, then that State can own property.

And here you are stating that I could be bound to a contract that I didn't sign, and then you follow it up with stating that the Constitution is legitimate because 'the people' support it. Neither of those positions is held by anarcho-capitalists:

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It is not applicable because I have not signed it, just like any contract that I have not signed is inapplicable.

Hence the concept of popular sovereignty, which you'd know about if you'd actually spent time inside of a classroom.

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You use circular logic, the Constitution is legitimate, so suggesting that it is illegitimate is treasonous, so the Constitution is legitimate.

The Constitution is legitimate because it derives its support from the people. The people continue to support it; ergo, the Constitution is legitimate.

And surely an anarcho-capitalist would have no problem reading an essay by an anarcho-capitalist, right?:

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Why should I care about the Constitution? It is an void document.

Hahaha, riiiiiight.

One doesn't even have to be an anarcho-capitalist to realize that "victor's justice" is wrong. You haven't made that realization, yet:

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So would Saddam Hussein have been justified in imposing a Baathist dictatorship in America because we 'attacked "his" property', if he were capable?

Quite frankly, yes. To the victor goes the spoils.

And here you are defending statist policies in wartime. Again, one doesn't even have to be an anarcho-capitalist to realize this is wrong:

So, statist policies are okay during wartime? That's sounds very neo-connish to me.

Presuming you want to, you know, win a war? Most certainly.

And here you are stating that secession is treason, a view not held by any anarcho-capitalists or true libertarians:

You made the claim that the 1861 C.S.A. secession from the U.S. was treason. If this is the case, explain how the 1776 U.S. secession from Britain wasn't.

The 1776 secession was treason. I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise.

And here you are defending tax hikes, not even considering the possibility of lowering spending, the view held by even the most moderate of libertarians:

If taxes must be raised to keep the nation out of debt, then raise them as much as necessary.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2009, 05:42:32 pm »

You made the claim that the 1861 C.S.A. secession from the U.S. was treason. If this is the case, explain how the 1776 U.S. secession from Britain wasn't.

The 1776 secession was treason. I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise.

Well in Einzige's defense, he never defined whether said "treason" was justified or not justified. People always assume that "treason" has a negative connotation. Not many people consider that in some cases, "treason" is the moral choice.

If you look later in that thread, he refused to read Lysander Spooner's essay No Treason on the grounds that it was treasonous.

Also, I find it funny that Einzige invariably abandons the thread once I provide evidence that his claim is bull.
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