NYC General Discussion - You Hear That Giant Sucking Sound?

[Lief 🗽]

It's funny that oakvale (correctly) supports The Mayor on this, since it seems like the biggest backlash against it is in the Irish community. Liam Neeson is vociferously campaigning against it.

[Eraserhead]

New Yorkers Want Horse-Drawn Carriages to Stay (and oppose de Blasio's school policies)

http://politicker.com/2014/03/poll-new-yorkers-want-horse-drawn-carriages-to-stay/

Obviously a plan to put hardworking people, most of whom are from immigrant backgrounds, out of a job for no good reason, is unpopular. (I assume most of the horses would be put down as well).

The plan isn't to put them out of work and there are several very good reasons to get rid of horse-drawn carriages. Also, your assumption about what'll happen to the horses is also wrong. So yeah.

[Eraserhead]

It's funny that oakvale (correctly) supports The Mayor on this, since it seems like the biggest backlash against it is in the Irish community. Liam Neeson is vociferously campaigning against it.

Neeson has clearly been paid off. Disgusting stuff.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

New Yorkers Want Horse-Drawn Carriages to Stay (and oppose de Blasio's school policies)

http://politicker.com/2014/03/poll-new-yorkers-want-horse-drawn-carriages-to-stay/

Obviously a plan to put hardworking people, most of whom are from immigrant backgrounds, out of a job for no good reason, is unpopular. (I assume most of the horses would be put down as well).

The plan isn't to put them out of work and there are several very good reasons to get rid of horse-drawn carriages. Also, your assumption about what'll happen to the horses is also wrong. So yeah.

We already have an excess of working horses in this country.  The idea that they'll go into peaceable retirement or the like is ludicrous unless De Blazio is going to pay for that to happen himself. Bloomberg could have afforded to do something that idiotic, but not De Blazio. Now it is possible that some of them will displace other working horses which will be put down instead of the ones from Central Park and also some of the oversupply could be dealt with by not allowing as many horses to breed.  But regardless of the exact mechanics, the net result of De Blazio's ban will be fewer horses.

[Eraserhead]

New Yorkers Want Horse-Drawn Carriages to Stay (and oppose de Blasio's school policies)

http://politicker.com/2014/03/poll-new-yorkers-want-horse-drawn-carriages-to-stay/

Obviously a plan to put hardworking people, most of whom are from immigrant backgrounds, out of a job for no good reason, is unpopular. (I assume most of the horses would be put down as well).

The plan isn't to put them out of work and there are several very good reasons to get rid of horse-drawn carriages. Also, your assumption about what'll happen to the horses is also wrong. So yeah.

We already have an excess of working horses in this country.  The idea that they'll go into peaceable retirement or the like is ludicrous unless De Blazio is going to pay for that to happen himself. Bloomberg could have afforded to do something that idiotic, but not De Blazio. Now it is possible that some of them will displace other working horses which will be put down instead of the ones from Central Park and also some of the oversupply could be dealt with by not allowing as many horses to breed.  But regardless of the exact mechanics, the net result of De Blazio's ban will be fewer horses.

Many people (some of them incredibly wealthy) have already offered to adopt horses. If the ban actually goes through that number will only go up and several organizations are already raising money to deal with horses that aren't adopted right away. There are only 200 of them, it's not like there's an outrageous number of them.

[Badger]

Why not allow the horse-drawn carriages and simply amp up regulation enforcement of their working and living conditions? Carriage owners would prefer to have to impliment reforms than lose thier business entirely, and all but the PETA "pet-dom is slavery" extremists should be satidified with the horses not being uncared and too overworked.

[MaxQue]

It's a clear attack on the tourism industry. We shouldn't fold in front of the extremism and fundamentalism and PETA.

[Eraserhead]

Not everyone who wants carriage horses banned is a member of PETA so I think we can give that talking point a rest for a while guys.

[Badger]

Not everyone who wants carriage horses banned is a member of PETA so I think we can give that talking point a rest for a while guys.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying the alternative of effectively enforcing laws requiring the horses be well-cared for should satisfy all but that extreme element.

[Eraserhead]

Not everyone who wants carriage horses banned is a member of PETA so I think we can give that talking point a rest for a while guys.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying the alternative of effectively enforcing laws requiring the horses be well-cared for should satisfy all but that extreme element.

The problem is that they've tried enforcing those kinds of laws already and they don't really work. Many of the horses are still being overworked in extreme conditions and they're still out in the streets causing traffic accidents. It's also not uncommon to see them treated cruelly by the drivers. Anyone who spends a lot of time in NYC (like me) will likely have seen this with their own eyes.

It's an antiquated part of life in the city that really just needs to be done away with permanently at this point imo.

[bedstuy]

Not everyone who wants carriage horses banned is a member of PETA so I think we can give that talking point a rest for a while guys.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying the alternative of effectively enforcing laws requiring the horses be well-cared for should satisfy all but that extreme element.

The problem is that they've tried enforcing those kinds of laws already and they don't really work. Many of the horses are still being overworked in extreme conditions and they're still out in the streets causing traffic accidents. It's also not uncommon to see them treated cruelly by the drivers. Anyone who spends a lot of time in NYC (like me) will likely have seen this with their own eyes.

It's an antiquated aspect of life in the city that really just needs to be removed permanently at this point imo.

And, they smell bad.  But, in any case, we're still going to have police horses, right?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Those horses will be ready meals within days

[Oakvale]

It's funny that oakvale (correctly) supports The Mayor on this, since it seems like the biggest backlash against it is in the Irish community. Liam Neeson is vociferously campaigning against it.

That's not surprising, Irish-Americans are generally terrible. Liam Neeson must have gone native.

Atlas's opposition probably has something to do with its bizarre vitrolic overreaction to anything approaching animal rights.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

It's funny that oakvale (correctly) supports The Mayor on this, since it seems like the biggest backlash against it is in the Irish community. Liam Neeson is vociferously campaigning against it.

It's hardly 'funny' Oakvale is Irish. Hating and Moaning about Irish people is what Irish people do. It would be showing a distinct lack of patriotism if he agreed.

[Eraserhead]

It's funny that oakvale (correctly) supports The Mayor on this, since it seems like the biggest backlash against it is in the Irish community. Liam Neeson is vociferously campaigning against it.

That's not surprising, Irish-Americans are generally terrible. Liam Neeson must have gone native.

Atlas's opposition probably has something to do with its bizarre vitrolic overreaction to anything approaching animal rights.

Supporting anything that might have something to do with animal rights makes you a True Leftist, I guess. Or something.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

I'm betting most of you are regretting not supporting Quinn now.

[Eraserhead]

I'm betting most of you are regretting not supporting Quinn now.

LOL. Really?

[Simfan34]

Tish James Renews Public Advocate’s Legislative Role
http://observer.com/2014/03/tish-james-renews-public-advocates-legislative-role/#ixzz2xTI1fS34

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[Joshgreen]

The concern trolling is strong in this thread.

[Simfan34]

Charter schools score great victory
http://ny.chalkbeat.org/2014/03/29/eva-moskowitz-calls-state-budget-deal-a-historic-moment-in-public-education/

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[Simfan34]

Mayor de Blasio Has a Habit of Leaving Out the Press

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/mayor-de-blasio-has-a-habit-of-leaving-out-press.html

It appears he's not up to media scrutiny; as the Observer put it, he appears to have a "transparency problem"

[Simfan34]

New York’s Welfare Reactionaries
Mayor de Blasio and his HRA chief look to turn back the clock on 20 years of progress.

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http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon0521hm.html

[Lief 🗽]

Wonderful news! Looks like The Mayor is doing a great job quickly turning back the right-wingery of the Giuliani/Bloomberg years.

[Хahar 🤔]

That's not how "reaction" works.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This is excellent. Welfare "reform" was one of the vilest, most disgusting policies in the last 40 years.