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« on: March 19, 2014, 03:12:59 pm »
« edited: March 19, 2014, 04:08:18 pm by Simfan »

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Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia

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Russia signaled concern on Wednesday at Estonia's treatment of its large ethnic Russian minority, comparing language policy in the Baltic state with what it said was a call in Ukraine to prevent the use of Russian.

Russia has defended its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula by arguing it has the right to protect Russian-speakers outside its borders, so the reference to linguistic tensions in another former Soviet republic comes at a highly sensitive moment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319

Thankfully Estonia is in NATO- otherwise I could see Narva area being grabbed up.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 04:30:05 pm »

I think their just f[inks]ing with us
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 06:47:04 pm »

I think Putin might actually want to reconstitute the old USSR.


Watch out Kazhakstan!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 06:49:45 pm »

I think their just f[inks]ing with us

And they feel you will not do sh**t about it.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 09:33:54 pm »

I think their just f[inks]ing with us

And they feel you will not do sh**t about it.
Why should I? As long as they keep out of this hemisperhe, I'm not really concerned. I'm interested, but not concerned.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 09:34:21 pm »

I think their just f[inks]ing with us
Despite all of the sabre rattling, everyone knows that while far-away and unimportant countries like Ukraine are subject to anything, NATO members are sacrosanct.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2014, 11:16:04 pm »

I think their just f[inks]ing with us
Despite all of the sabre rattling, everyone knows that while far-away and unimportant countries like Ukraine are subject to anything, NATO members are sacrosanct.

And what is the source of that knowledge?
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 11:29:23 pm »

The same source which said Putin's Duma speech was just words, as was "Ukraine isn't a real state" and Eastern Anschluss was scaremongering.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 01:42:23 am »

World War III is happening if Putin tries the same sh**t in Estonia that he did in Crimea.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 02:15:56 am »

I think Putin might actually want to reconstitute the old USSR.


Watch out Kazhakstan!!!!

Tsar Vladimir V wants to reconstitute the old Russian Empire.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 05:44:07 am »

I think Putin might actually want to reconstitute the old USSR.


Watch out Kazhakstan!!!!

Tsar Vladimir V wants to reconstitute the old Russian Empire.

Watch out Alaska and Poland!!!

Seriously though, I think Vladimir has his sights on maximizing his sphere of influence and power and is willing to push right up to edge to get it, but not go over. Doomsday isn't very advantageous to ruling supremely.

The only way he would invade Estonia would be if he thought NATO wouldn't retaliate.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 06:20:37 am »
« Edited: March 20, 2014, 06:22:18 am by a thorn in my side, a chip on my shoulder »

Nope.
NOPE.
NO WAY IN HELL.
Keep your filthy hands off Estonia, Kremlin Gremlin.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 06:34:18 am »

I think Putin might actually want to reconstitute the old USSR.


Watch out Kazhakstan!!!!

I don't think they'll go for Kazakhstan - they already have a pretty compliant puppet and it runs the risk of pissing off China.

The Caucasus region on the other hand is fair game.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 05:36:59 pm »

The Baltic states have monuments to Nazi collaborators and the Russian minority has never received the nicest treatment. Russia has a point here, especially since Putin is still nowhere near dumb enough to butt heads with a NATO member.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 07:11:04 pm »

Well, to most inhabitants, there wasn't much difference between being invaded by Germans or Soviets.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2014, 07:54:10 pm »

Nope.
NOPE.
NO WAY IN HELL.
Keep your filthy hands off Estonia, Kremlin Gremlin.
What are your thoughts on the intervention in the Ukraine, Pingvin? I haven't seen you on here in a while.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2014, 08:02:51 pm »

what's the problem with allowing them to move to the old Warsaw Pact boundaries?  exempting the GDR if you insist.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 08:36:42 pm »

what's the problem with allowing them to move to the old Warsaw Pact boundaries?  exempting the GDR if you insist.

Why not let them settle Manhattan then?
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2014, 08:54:50 pm »

what's the problem with allowing them to move to the old Warsaw Pact boundaries?  exempting the GDR if you insist.

Why not let them settle Manhattan then?

He would prefer it if they did, if you see.
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2014, 08:55:51 pm »

my domino theorist friends!  to which the Atlantic is no boundary.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2014, 10:07:45 pm »

Yeah, the Baltics are pretty much off limits unless Putin wants to deal with NATO.

His best bets for further irredentism would be to force a referendum for the Russian-speaking parts of Eastern Ukraine and to bully Lukashenko into a Russia-Belarus anschluss.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2014, 10:38:59 pm »

So what if Russia invades Estonia? Is the U.S. really going to war against a country with 5,000 ICBMs over Estonia? Most likely it'll expose NATO as an empty piece of paper.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2014, 10:52:31 pm »

Nope.
NOPE.
NO WAY IN HELL.
Keep your filthy hands off Estonia, Kremlin Gremlin.
What are your thoughts on the intervention in the Ukraine, Pingvin? I haven't seen you on here in a while.
If Russian Maidan happens, Putin's done. That's why he's afraid of Ukraine.
Now he's trying to score some points as a man who got Crimea back.
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2014, 11:01:23 pm »

So what if Russia invades Estonia? Is the U.S. really going to war against a country with 5,000 ICBMs over Estonia? Most likely it'll expose NATO as an empty piece of paper.

So, where would it stop? Warsaw? Berlin? London?
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2014, 11:50:44 pm »

Anyways, what most of you, guys, are missing, is that Russia is emerging - internally, not so much externally - as a proper hysterical fascist dictatorship. The regime is whipping hatred - and for that it is going to need conflicts. Today it was Crimea - it will not be the last.

So far, there has been precious little reaction to what Russia did. Yes, todays sanctions are a slight improvement (they did name some of the Great Leaders buddies). But this is far too little, far too late. And, in fact, from now on these same buddies will be even more loyal - they no longer have anything that does not directly depend on the guy. As for the still surviving opposition - state media (and increasingly this is the only media out there) is openly using the word "traitors". Prison terms are only starting - but there will be more. And the nationalist hysteria makes prison a popular means of treating the opposition.

So, it is all around success for the Leader - he will want to repeat. Relying on the never properly tested (at least recently) Article 5 is all nice and good - till he decides to test. Estonians have every right to be worried.

So, suppose in a year or two Russia takes over Narva (oh, yes, at first there will be a lot of happy people there as well - the town is 95% ethnic Russian). Will the US risk a war with 5000 warheads over a smallish town in a country 1/30 the size of Ukraine? Once the NATO partners cancel Russias participation in G-20 and force Mr. Abramovich to sell Chelsea FC and declare that in this way they fulfilled obligations under Article 5, once the brave Estonian border guards move their post towards Kohtla Jarve (to be taken over the following month), what is it that our Polish friends will do? Say they are different because... What? This is what I would like to hear.
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