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« on: March 24, 2014, 12:59:09 pm »

With Rand Paul:
- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Rand Paul has been a D.C. insider
- Chris Christie won election and re-election in a center-left state, Rand Paul is untested in difficult locales for republicans
- Chris Christie is strong on national security, Rand Paul is not
- Chris Christie acts, Rand Paul talks
- Chris Christie took on crime as U.S. Attorney, Rand Paul is soft on crime


With Ted Cruz:
- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Ted Cruz has been a D.C. insider
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Ted Cruz

With Rick Santorum:
- Chris Christie won re-election by 22 points, Rick Santorum lost re-election by 18 points
- Chris Christie took on public sector unions, Rick Santorum opposed right to work
- Chris Christie hasn't supported a bailout, Rick Santorum voted to bailout the steel industry
- Chris Christie presided over the closing of six planned parenthood clinics, Rick Santorum voted to fund planned parenthood


With Jeb Bush:
- Chris Christie has more experience in dealing with national security issues as U.S. Attorney

With Paul Ryan:
- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Paul Ryan is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Paul Ryan

With Marco Rubio:
- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Marco Rubio is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Marco Rubio
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2014, 01:06:36 pm »

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With Rand Paul:
- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Rand Paul has been a D.C. insider
Really? I know I've bashed Paul before, but the guy is pretty outsider-y, especially considering his dad.

Also Ted "Tea Party" Cruz is a Washington Insider?

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- Chris Christie presided over the closing of six planned parenthood clinics, Rick Santorum voted to fund planned parenthood
Really? Are you sure? This is Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum you know.

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- Chris Christie took on crime as U.S. Attorney, Rand Paul is soft on crime
Since Paul's not a Governor, and nothing major's come up in Kentucky to test him on crime.

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- Chris Christie hasn't supported a bailout, Rick Santorum voted to bailout the steel industry
Is that a bad thing? And wait, wasn't Santorum out of office at that point?

Really, this just seems like a PAC Ad, I was waiting for "Christie 2016, America's Future" to appear at the end.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 02:17:49 pm »

Walker would run miles around Christie Wisconsin's UE is lower than the national rate and NJ's and the state has a 1B+ surplus while implementing a big tax cut. Walker is far more fiscally conservative than Christie and not to mention he's also Gov of a state the GOP has been trying years to win.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2014, 06:05:28 pm »

Lol. No.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 06:25:11 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 08:10:34 pm »

Well for one he can stop shoving his finger in people's faces and ripping a new one to anyone who dares call him out on any of his policies they disagree with. I liked Christie after how he dealt with Hurricane Sandy and worked with the President, but I will not vote for a bully. I won't vote for someone who literally crushes his opposition.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 08:19:16 pm »

Latest DNC instructions to followers: yell that Christie is finished as loudly as possible.  If that doesn't work, shout he can't make it through the primaries.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 12:33:08 am »

Chris Christie will be the only one among his opponents running for office from a prison cell, so he's got that going for him.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 04:41:58 pm »

He can eat his opponets and achieve a unified field.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 04:52:54 pm »

If you try to paint Ted Cruz as an insider you deserve to get landslided.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2014, 05:17:51 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 05:25:37 pm »

Why on earth are we still discussing Don Christe?
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2014, 05:28:04 pm »

By running his campaign in jail!

EDIT: Oops, I haven't seen your post Lief: SOOOOOOORRRRYYY.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2014, 05:46:01 pm »

With Rand Paul:
- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Rand Paul has been a D.C. insider
- Chris Christie won election and re-election in a center-left state, Rand Paul is untested in difficult locales for republicans
- Chris Christie is strong on national security, Rand Paul is not
- Chris Christie acts, Rand Paul talks
- Chris Christie took on crime as U.S. Attorney, Rand Paul is soft on crime

-"DC insider" is the last thing the Pauls are known for.
-Rand Paul has been taking his message to places hostile to Republicans.
-It's not 2001.
-The filibuster was an action, more than just talk.
-"Tough on crime" isn't the rallying cry it used to be.

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With Ted Cruz:
- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Ted Cruz has been a D.C. insider
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Ted Cruz


-Cruz in inexperienced, legitimate criticism.

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With Rick Santorum:
- Chris Christie won re-election by 22 points, Rick Santorum lost re-election by 18 points
- Chris Christie took on public sector unions, Rick Santorum opposed right to work
- Chris Christie hasn't supported a bailout, Rick Santorum voted to bailout the steel industry
- Chris Christie presided over the closing of six planned parenthood clinics, Rick Santorum voted to fund planned parenthood

All legitimate criticism.

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With Jeb Bush:
- Chris Christie has more experience in dealing with national security issues as U.S. Attorney

I don't know much about that.

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With Paul Ryan:
- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Paul Ryan is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Paul Ryan

-Ryan is very experienced as well.

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With Marco Rubio:
- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Marco Rubio is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Marco Rubio

-Rubio isn't very experienced, legitimate criticism.


As for Christie being an outsider, most of the Republicans who want outsiders are the Tea Party/Libertarian voters.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2014, 05:53:36 pm »

Walker would run miles around Christie Wisconsin's UE is lower than the national rate and NJ's and the state has a 1B+ surplus while implementing a big tax cut. Walker is far more fiscally conservative than Christie and not to mention he's also Gov of a state the GOP has been trying years to win.
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2014, 06:37:18 pm »

Krispy is done.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2014, 08:35:07 pm »

I don't think he needs a one on one strategy, as much as a general one. He's a strong political presence and really effective at debates and stump speeches, two things that get a lot of media coverage in presidential primaries.

A strategy for him would be to rely on that while delivering standard conservative responses on major issues. Highlighting any accomplishments is key. He could downplay bridgegate if noting new comes out, and should emphasize anything he's been able to do so since then.

He's probably the loudest guy, so he should be able to do well in arguments. A good strategy would be to pick fights where he has the facts on his side, and to note any time opponents make a move that's damaging (IE- unintended consequences of certain issue pledges.)
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2014, 08:49:31 pm »

By running his campaign in jail!

EDIT: Oops, I haven't seen your post Lief: SOOOOOOORRRRYYY.

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2014, 12:34:16 am »

Chris Christie will be the only one among his opponents running for office from a prison cell, so he's got that going for him.

Truly a modern-day Eugene Debs.
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2014, 07:30:34 am »

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- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Rand Paul has been a D.C. insider

Christie, actually, would be a much better fit for D.C. than Paul.  Unlike Paul, he has actually gotten things done.  The only major accomplishment that can possibly be attributed to Paul is NSA reform.  (Emphasis on 'possibly'; I doubt he had anything to do with why Obama is pursuing reform now.)  You could, of course, argue that this will all help Christie, but most Republicans simply have no interest in getting things done.  They want someone who does not fit in the D.C. atmosphere.

If you want to run as a candidate who's for doing things, run as a Democrat.

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- Chris Christie won election and re-election in a center-left state, Rand Paul is untested in difficult locales for republicans

Not... quite.  The 2010 race was the only Republican-held seat Democrats seriously contested that year.  Paul very well might not be a senator today if it weren't for Jack Conway's "Aqua Buddha" ad.  Even so, the favorite son/daughter effect is quickly diminishing.  It didn't help Gore/Lieberman, it didn't help Kerry/Edwards, it didn't help Romney/Ryan, and McCain barely won Arizona due to his seniority.

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- Chris Christie is strong on national security, Rand Paul is not

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- Chris Christie acts, Rand Paul talks

As I've said, this is partly true.  After all, Christie is an executive and Paul is not.  Paul may have done comparably little to Christie, but even I would concede that Paul has done a hell of a lot more than a good portion of his colleagues.  Or, at least, he's been able to establish enough relevance to be considered a formidable candidate, which is kind of the game today.

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- Chris Christie took on crime as U.S. Attorney, Rand Paul is soft on crime

Please stop using slogans that no one's ever used since 1996.

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- Chris Christie has been a D.C. outsider, Ted Cruz has been a D.C. insider
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Ted Cruz

See above.

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- Chris Christie presided over the closing of six planned parenthood clinics, Rick Santorum voted to fund planned parenthood

Yeah, I'd love to see Christie use that.  Please make the next campaign about social issues and brag that you've overseen the closure of six women's health facilities.  That'll do you well in the general! Smiley

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- Chris Christie has more experience in dealing with national security issues as U.S. Attorney

Okay, but what are the odds that those issues will play that much of a role in 2016?  The only plank of the GOP platform on national security that unites everyone is: "Benghazi."

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- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Paul Ryan is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Paul Ryan

Eh.  Ryan doesn't really have that "insider stench."  Ryan's street cred comes from the fact that he's a policy wonk and actually thinks about what he says as he's saying it.

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- Chris Christie is a Washington outsider, Marco Rubio is not
- Chris Christie has more executive experience than Marco Rubio

I think you're overestimating the effect that this will have.  If this is 2/3 of Christie's argument, he will lose.

Also, bridges.

Anyway, most of what you said can be attributed to Scott Walker and John Kasich.  I really don't get why a Republican, at this point, would be supporting Christie now when there are plenty of shinier toys available.

If I were a Republican who wanted to win (not that I'm trying to help the Republicans and, let's face it, a forum post isn't going to make a difference), I'd be firmly in the Walker camp.  The only problem is that he knows almost nothing about foreign policy and Clinton would trounce him in that debate.  My guess is that Walker would choose someone slightly more military-oriented as his veep if he were to win the nomination.

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- Chris Christie hasn't supported a bailout, Rick Santorum voted to bailout the steel industry

I'm not sure if this is true, but that wouldn't be very unusual for a Republican from, well, Pennsylvania.  And I'm not sure how this would play out as anything more than a brief mention in a debate.
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2014, 08:45:15 am »

Having victoriously survived Dubya's little U.S. Attorneys dismissal escapade, I think it's safe to say that Christie is a Washington insider.
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