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« Reply #1300 on: July 11, 2014, 06:33:00 pm »
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Does she approve of The President?

We haven't discussed it at length, but I would assume no.  Same with me.  Of course, she may be more liberal, but she voted for Romney, whereas I voted for Obama.

In what ways is she more liberal?

More open to gay marriage and more accepting of medical marijuana.

I'm pretty sure marijuana is healthier than 95% of what you eat.

That's not it for me.  I just have a personal, religious objection to the use of marijuana.
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« Reply #1301 on: July 11, 2014, 06:36:50 pm »
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Does she approve of The President?

We haven't discussed it at length, but I would assume no.  Same with me.  Of course, she may be more liberal, but she voted for Romney, whereas I voted for Obama.

In what ways is she more liberal?

More open to gay marriage and more accepting of medical marijuana.

I'm pretty sure marijuana is healthier than 95% of what you eat.

That's not it for me.  I just have a personal, religious objection to the use of marijuana.
That means that you live a healthier life than most of the forum.
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« Reply #1302 on: July 11, 2014, 06:38:21 pm »
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What did Jesus say about weed?
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« Reply #1303 on: July 11, 2014, 06:42:35 pm »
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« Reply #1304 on: July 11, 2014, 06:49:21 pm »
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Allison is 420 friendly? Interesting.
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« Reply #1305 on: July 11, 2014, 06:52:32 pm »
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Does she approve of The President?

We haven't discussed it at length, but I would assume no.  Same with me.  Of course, she may be more liberal, but she voted for Romney, whereas I voted for Obama.

In what ways is she more liberal?

More open to gay marriage and more accepting of medical marijuana.

I'm pretty sure marijuana is healthier than 95% of what you eat.

That's not it for me.  I just have a personal, religious objection to the use of marijuana.
That means that you live a healthier life than most of the forum.

No, it really doesn't. How many cheeseburgers have you had in the past calendar week, Bushie? How about since this time last month? I've been mostly occasional and basically unconcerned in my interactions with this series of threads and whole little forum subculture in the past, but I'm getting really worried about you.
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« Reply #1306 on: July 11, 2014, 07:13:24 pm »
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I highly doubt that Jesus would take any interest in an unrepentant sinner like Bushie who routinely profanes the Lord's name by using it as a catch-all excuse.

God takes interest in everyone even, nay, especially the frustrating and unrepentant sinners. Jesus died for the sinners, not for the saints.

Perhaps this passage will clarify my meaning:

Quote from: Luke 23
32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. [...]

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”

43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Tell me, which of these two men does Bushie resemble?
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« Reply #1307 on: July 11, 2014, 07:42:51 pm »
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What did Jesus say about weed?

The only Bible anti-pot arguments I've heard are "your body is a temple" which lol if Bushie claims to care about that passage.
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I highly doubt that Jesus would take any interest in an unrepentant sinner like Bushie who routinely profanes the Lord's name by using it as a catch-all excuse.

God takes interest in everyone even, nay, especially the frustrating and unrepentant sinners. Jesus died for the sinners, not for the saints.

Perhaps this passage will clarify my meaning:

Quote from: Luke 23
32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. [...]

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”

43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Tell me, which of these two men does Bushie resemble?

I guess you don't understand the concept of grace.  I don't have to meet a certain standard in order for God to allow me into heaven.  All I have to do is accept Jesus's sacrificial death for me.  I don't carelessly throw His name around.  I sincerely believe there is a spiritual purpose for everything.  There is no such thing as luck.  There is no such thing as coincidence.  There is no such thing as karma.  I cannot do anything good under my own power.  God cannot do anything wrong.  So, it's only natural and wonderful to give Him credit for every good thing that happens to me and take the blame for every bad thing that I do.  I am definitely not a "me-first" person.  The first person I talk to in the morning is God and the last person I talk to at night is God.  I talk to Him throughout the day.  I know where I am going when I leave this earth and that place is not hell.  Rather, it is through the pearly gates and I will walk on the streets of gold in heaven.  No one can convince me otherwise.  Do I still sin?  Absolutely.  I sin all the friggin' time, because I still have the sin nature inside of me.  However, the only difference is, I have given my heart and life to Jesus Christ ONE time and that GUARANTEES me a spot in heaven.  There is absolutely nothing I can do to lose my salvation.  There is no sin I can commit to take me out of the grace of God.  That is biblical and since it is biblical, you can take it to the bank, because it is FACT.  The Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God.  It will never steer anybody wrong and is the #1 best selling book of all time for a reason.
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« Reply #1309 on: July 11, 2014, 07:50:00 pm »
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I never said I want to impose my religion on other people, I just have a moral personal objection to it.
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« Reply #1311 on: July 11, 2014, 08:16:23 pm »
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I highly doubt that Jesus would take any interest in an unrepentant sinner like Bushie who routinely profanes the Lord's name by using it as a catch-all excuse.

God takes interest in everyone even, nay, especially the frustrating and unrepentant sinners. Jesus died for the sinners, not for the saints.

Perhaps this passage will clarify my meaning:

Quote from: Luke 23
32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. [...]

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”

43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Tell me, which of these two men does Bushie resemble?

I guess you don't understand the concept of grace.  I don't have to meet a certain standard in order for God to allow me into heaven.  All I have to do is accept Jesus's sacrificial death for me.  I don't carelessly throw His name around.  I sincerely believe there is a spiritual purpose for everything.  There is no such thing as luck.  There is no such thing as coincidence.  There is no such thing as karma.  I cannot do anything good under my own power.  God cannot do anything wrong.  So, it's only natural and wonderful to give Him credit for every good thing that happens to me and take the blame for every bad thing that I do.  I am definitely not a "me-first" person.  The first person I talk to in the morning is God and the last person I talk to at night is God.  I talk to Him throughout the day.  I know where I am going when I leave this earth and that place is not hell.  Rather, it is through the pearly gates and I will walk on the streets of gold in heaven.  No one can convince me otherwise.  Do I still sin?  Absolutely.  I sin all the friggin' time, because I still have the sin nature inside of me.  However, the only difference is, I have given my heart and life to Jesus Christ ONE time and that GUARANTEES me a spot in heaven.  There is absolutely nothing I can do to lose my salvation.  There is no sin I can commit to take me out of the grace of God.  That is biblical and since it is biblical, you can take it to the bank, because it is FACT.  The Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God.  It will never steer anybody wrong and is the #1 best selling book of all time for a reason.

1) That's a cop-out ... whether it's regarding how you lean on religion as a crutch ("I'm going to sit back and let God handle it.") or your motivations and how you treat your body. The "salvation for all who believe" line shouldn't be used as a get-out-of-jail free card.

2) You are one of the biggest "me-first" people I've ever known: exceptionally selfish in many respects and lacking the self discipline to truly care for yourself in order to help those around you. The type of reliance you have on your parents at age 32 should be reserved for the mentally handicapped. "Talking" to a god doesn't relieve one of selfishness ... action does. And therein lies your biggest problem ... an inability to take positive action when it would truly make a difference for those around you.
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« Reply #1312 on: July 11, 2014, 08:27:00 pm »
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And why do you want to impose your religion on everybody else?

I never said I want to impose my religion on other people, I just have a moral personal objection to it.

What is the moral personal objection?
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« Reply #1313 on: July 11, 2014, 08:32:20 pm »
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I never said I want to impose my religion on other people, I just have a moral personal objection to it.

You said you have a "personal, religious objection to the use of marijuana".  What exactly is the religious reasoning?
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« Reply #1314 on: July 11, 2014, 08:41:36 pm »
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And why do you want to impose your religion on everybody else?

I never said I want to impose my religion on other people, I just have a moral personal objection to it.

You said you have a "personal, religious objection to the use of marijuana".  What exactly is the religious reasoning?

I equate marijuana with other illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, LSD, etc.  I have always seen it as such, as I do nicotine and tobacco.  Being fat may not be any better, and I never intend to have a "holier-than-thou" attitude.  Everybody has the same access to Jesus as I do.  The life He gives me is not unique or available just to me.  It is available to ALL who believe.  "Whomsoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."  I never want to have a "holier-than-thou" attitude, and when I do (because it does happen), I am immediately convicted and have to ask for forgiveness.  Anyway, back to your question, I just equate pot with illegal drugs.
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« Reply #1315 on: July 11, 2014, 08:47:54 pm »
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I highly doubt that Jesus would take any interest in an unrepentant sinner like Bushie who routinely profanes the Lord's name by using it as a catch-all excuse.

God takes interest in everyone even, nay, especially the frustrating and unrepentant sinners. Jesus died for the sinners, not for the saints.

Perhaps this passage will clarify my meaning:

Quote from: Luke 23
32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. [...]

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”

43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Tell me, which of these two men does Bushie resemble?

I guess you don't understand the concept of grace.  I don't have to meet a certain standard in order for God to allow me into heaven.  All I have to do is accept Jesus's sacrificial death for me.  I don't carelessly throw His name around.  I sincerely believe there is a spiritual purpose for everything.  There is no such thing as luck.  There is no such thing as coincidence.  There is no such thing as karma.  I cannot do anything good under my own power.  God cannot do anything wrong.  So, it's only natural and wonderful to give Him credit for every good thing that happens to me and take the blame for every bad thing that I do.  I am definitely not a "me-first" person.  The first person I talk to in the morning is God and the last person I talk to at night is God.  I talk to Him throughout the day.  I know where I am going when I leave this earth and that place is not hell.  Rather, it is through the pearly gates and I will walk on the streets of gold in heaven.  No one can convince me otherwise.  Do I still sin?  Absolutely.  I sin all the friggin' time, because I still have the sin nature inside of me.  However, the only difference is, I have given my heart and life to Jesus Christ ONE time and that GUARANTEES me a spot in heaven.  There is absolutely nothing I can do to lose my salvation.  There is no sin I can commit to take me out of the grace of God.  That is biblical and since it is biblical, you can take it to the bank, because it is FACT.  The Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God.  It will never steer anybody wrong and is the #1 best selling book of all time for a reason.

1) That's a cop-out ... whether it's regarding how you lean on religion as a crutch ("I'm going to sit back and let God handle it.") or your motivations and how you treat your body. The "salvation for all who believe" line shouldn't be used as a get-out-of-jail free card.

2) You are one of the biggest "me-first" people I've ever known: exceptionally selfish in many respects and lacking the self discipline to truly care for yourself in order to help those around you. The type of reliance you have on your parents at age 32 should be reserved for the mentally handicapped. "Talking" to a god doesn't relieve one of selfishness ... action does. And therein lies your biggest problem ... an inability to take positive action when it would truly make a difference for those around you.

It is not a cop-out, and I try not use my faith in Christ as a crutch.  Rather, I try to use it as an aide to do the things I need to do day in and day out.  The problem is, I don't always do that, and when I use it as a crutch, it is sin, plain and simple and I have to ask for forgiveness and the strength to correct that behavior.  I talk to God not as an excuse to get out of doing something, but rather to give me the strength to do the things I need to be doing.  I have to fully rely on His strength, because in my own power, I can do nothing.  I have no ability to do what is right apart from His unfailing love and strength.  Without Him, I am nothing.
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« Reply #1316 on: July 11, 2014, 08:50:34 pm »
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Anyway, back to your question, I just equate pot with illegal drugs.

I understand that you don't want to do it if it's illegal, but the question is do you think it should be legal?  And actually, the original point was that you said that Allison was "more accepting of" medical marijuana than you are.  I guess that means that she thinks that marijuana should be legal at least for medicinal purposes, and you don't?  You have a *religious* objection to that?
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« Reply #1317 on: July 11, 2014, 08:51:20 pm »
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No, I'm certain that I do understand grace, and the facts at hand could not be more clear.

Your actions and words are not those of a sinner who has surrendered to God. Instead, you have cynically appropriated the Bible to justify your selfish and myopic choices. God forgives sinners, but not those who are false in their repentance. He sees your heart, even if you would hid it from us. Even if you would hide it from yourself. 

So you do not sin and say, "Jesus, remember me." You are a wanton who loudly pleads for salvation as you willfully indulge in every form of excess. But it does you no good to scream, "Save us!" while you ignore your blackened soul.
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« Reply #1318 on: July 11, 2014, 08:56:13 pm »
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I highly doubt that Jesus would take any interest in an unrepentant sinner like Bushie who routinely profanes the Lord's name by using it as a catch-all excuse.

God takes interest in everyone even, nay, especially the frustrating and unrepentant sinners. Jesus died for the sinners, not for the saints.

Perhaps this passage will clarify my meaning:

Quote from: Luke 23
32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. [...]

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. ”

43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Tell me, which of these two men does Bushie resemble?

I guess you don't understand the concept of grace.  I don't have to meet a certain standard in order for God to allow me into heaven.  All I have to do is accept Jesus's sacrificial death for me.  I don't carelessly throw His name around.  I sincerely believe there is a spiritual purpose for everything.  There is no such thing as luck.  There is no such thing as coincidence.  There is no such thing as karma.  I cannot do anything good under my own power.  God cannot do anything wrong.  So, it's only natural and wonderful to give Him credit for every good thing that happens to me and take the blame for every bad thing that I do.  I am definitely not a "me-first" person.  The first person I talk to in the morning is God and the last person I talk to at night is God.  I talk to Him throughout the day.  I know where I am going when I leave this earth and that place is not hell.  Rather, it is through the pearly gates and I will walk on the streets of gold in heaven.  No one can convince me otherwise.  Do I still sin?  Absolutely.  I sin all the friggin' time, because I still have the sin nature inside of me.  However, the only difference is, I have given my heart and life to Jesus Christ ONE time and that GUARANTEES me a spot in heaven.  There is absolutely nothing I can do to lose my salvation.  There is no sin I can commit to take me out of the grace of God.  That is biblical and since it is biblical, you can take it to the bank, because it is FACT.  The Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God.  It will never steer anybody wrong and is the #1 best selling book of all time for a reason.

1) That's a cop-out ... whether it's regarding how you lean on religion as a crutch ("I'm going to sit back and let God handle it.") or your motivations and how you treat your body. The "salvation for all who believe" line shouldn't be used as a get-out-of-jail free card.

2) You are one of the biggest "me-first" people I've ever known: exceptionally selfish in many respects and lacking the self discipline to truly care for yourself in order to help those around you. The type of reliance you have on your parents at age 32 should be reserved for the mentally handicapped. "Talking" to a god doesn't relieve one of selfishness ... action does. And therein lies your biggest problem ... an inability to take positive action when it would truly make a difference for those around you.

It is not a cop-out, and I try not use my faith in Christ as a crutch.  Rather, I try to use it as an aide to do the things I need to do day in and day out.  The problem is, I don't always do that, and when I use it as a crutch, it is sin, plain and simple and I have to ask for forgiveness and the strength to correct that behavior.  I talk to God not as an excuse to get out of doing something, but rather to give me the strength to do the things I need to be doing.  I have to fully rely on His strength, because in my own power, I can do nothing.  I have no ability to do what is right apart from His unfailing love and strength.  Without Him, I am nothing.

At what point do you take responsibility and actually try to stop sinning? For instance, you're "morally" opposed to drug use because of the toll it takes on one's body and the damage a user may do to those around him. Your disgusting food "addiction" is no different, and at least you nominally recognize that.

Still, you lie to yourself, your family and friends, AND your god by claiming to know what's wrong, promising to do something about it, and then continuing your slovenly selfishness. At what point do you feel it necessary to actually stop talking and take action to stop sinning? Or is "God doesn't care either way, he forgives me" your excuse?
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Well the perseverance of the saints sure has done a number on Bushie psychologically. I'd ask him if he's ever considered the possibility that in his continuing not only to sin, but to live a life that makes or at the very least ought to make him an object of scandal to his family and community, he's becoming the sort of 'believer' 1 John 2.19 was meant to warn us about.
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Wow, this page has become a hate-filled page filled with the mantra "Bushie is going to hell because he's fat."  What a ridiculous assumption.  You all accuse me of a "holier than thou" attitude and defaming the name of Jesus, when you all are doing the EXACT same thing.  Remember, when you point the finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing back at you.
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I don't think you're going to Hell because you're fat, Bushie. I have no way of knowing whether or not you're currently Hellbound at all.
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Thank you,  Nathan.  No one can truly know if someone else is going to heaven or hell.  They can be absolutely sure of their own situation,  but it's an individual decision,  so no one can know truly about anyone else,  not even one's own spouse,  parents,  or children.  You can have pretty good clues about other people, especially those closest to you,  but to be absolutely definitive you can only know about yourself.
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« Reply #1324 on: July 11, 2014, 09:43:12 pm »
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Anyway, back to your question, I just equate pot with illegal drugs.

I understand that you don't want to do it if it's illegal, but the question is do you think it should be legal?  And actually, the original point was that you said that Allison was "more accepting of" medical marijuana than you are.  I guess that means that she thinks that marijuana should be legal at least for medicinal purposes, and you don't?  You have a *religious* objection to that?


If it's the absolute last resort when nothing else has worked,  then,  of course,  life trumps objections.   I just think it should be the last resort.   Bottom line,  though,  no one should die over someone's objections of any kind,  including my own.
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