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« on: June 03, 2014, 11:35:22 AM »

55/30 to be exact. Corbett's approval is 27/58.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 11:42:26 AM »

Q2 Do you approve or disapprove of Governor
Tom Corbett’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 27%
Disapprove...................................................... 58%
Not sure .......................................................... 15%

Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Tom Wolf?

Favorable........................................................ 47%
Unfavorable .................................................... 20%
Not sure .......................................................... 33%

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Pretty much explains everything.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 11:47:22 AM »

"Leans Dem" - Larry Sabato
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 11:50:03 AM »


Cook Political Report even has it as a "Toss-up" still:

http://cookpolitical.com/governor/charts/race-ratings

Hilarious(ly) wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 11:50:20 AM »

Q for Pennsylvanians: why didn't the party tap him on the shoulder? This is a Blanching.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 11:52:50 AM »

Whoa, I thought the Rasmussen poll was just being ridiculous. This is a crazy margin.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 12:07:26 PM »

Whoa, I thought the Rasmussen poll was just being ridiculous. This is a crazy margin.

Corbett is just that horrible.

In addition, Wolf is the first gubernatorial nominee in a while from either party to not come from either the Philly or Pittsburgh metros (he's from York County); Wolf is a household name and he's probably doing far better in Central Pennsylvania in particular.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 12:15:51 PM »

Keep in mind that professional political prognosticators often don't change the rating the same day new polling data is released.  If this results in a rating change (i.e. Cook and CNN moving it out of Toss-Up), such change may not happen until 3 or 4 days from now. Prognasticators have other commitments, and typically each site is a team effort, not a solo thing, so it takes time to get opinions from the whole team on whether a rating change is merited or not.

Fortunately or Unfortunately, I don't need that amount of time. Both the Rasmussen Poll and the PPP poll find an even greater advantage for Wolf than Quinnipiac found back in February (Quinnipiac found a 19 point advantage), and while Corbett is an incumbent, that doesn't matter when you only have a 27% approval rating and you're a republican in a purple-blue state. It's time to upgrade Wolf's chances.

PA-Gov: Rating Changed from 'Leaning Democratic' to 'Strongly Leaning Democratic'.

If Corbett's still trailing by this much in Mid-July, I'll be moving this to Safe D, but for now, he still has 5 months to turn things around, so Strong Lean sounds good for right now.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 12:27:11 PM »

Most important question of the day: If Wolf wins by 20%+ and gives Dems a trifecta in PA next year, can they legally redraw the congressional map?
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2014, 12:28:29 PM »

Most important question of the day: If Wolf wins by 20%+ and gives Dems a trifecta in PA next year, can they legally redraw the congressional map?
Not until the census is taken again in 2020.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 12:36:21 PM »

Here's a question, what kind of democrat would vote for Tom Corbett? While Wolf takes 24% of Republicans, Corbett takes 10% of Democrats.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 12:37:52 PM »

Here's a question, what kind of democrat would vote for Tom Corbett? While Wolf takes 24% of Republicans, Corbett takes 10% of Democrats.

There's a certain type of voter who always votes for whoever is currently in charge.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 12:39:18 PM »

Here's a question, what kind of democrat would vote for Tom Corbett? While Wolf takes 24% of Republicans, Corbett takes 10% of Democrats.

"Bitter" people from the Appalachian region.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 12:50:43 PM »

Most important question of the day: If Wolf wins by 20%+ and gives Dems a trifecta in PA next year, can they legally redraw the congressional map?
Not until the census is taken again in 2020.
Actually, the PA Constitution doesn't prevent mid-decade redistricting.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 01:20:43 PM »

Q for Pennsylvanians: why didn't the party tap him on the shoulder? This is a Blanching.

They did.

However, when Corbett decided to stick it out, all of the potential challengers were too scared of blowback and a probable loss. Despite Corbett's deep unpopularity, he still would've been the favorite to get 50% +1 in a Republican primary.

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 01:40:45 PM »

Here's a question, what kind of democrat would vote for Tom Corbett? While Wolf takes 24% of Republicans, Corbett takes 10% of Democrats.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2014, 01:56:43 PM »

Here's a question, what kind of democrat would vote for Tom Corbett? While Wolf takes 24% of Republicans, Corbett takes 10% of Democrats.

Probably just statistical noise I'd expect Wolf to take 95-97% of Dems in the end Corbett may not get any at all.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2014, 02:00:16 PM »

What type of county map are we looking at with these numbers?
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2014, 02:06:58 PM »

What type of county map are we looking at with these numbers?

Something similar to these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_gubernatorial_election,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania,_2006
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2014, 02:17:12 PM »

RE: trifecta

Didn't the 2012 state legislative elections in PA take place under the old maps? 2014 is supposedly the first election for the state legislature that takes place under the new ones if I'm reading this correctly: http://paindependent.com/2013/05/supreme-court-pa-house-senate-districts-to-stand/

Any idea how the new districts compare?
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 02:18:58 PM »

What type of county map are we looking at with these numbers?

About like this.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 02:30:56 PM »

Santorum, to his credit, was never this far behind. Wolf could cross 60.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 02:38:01 PM »

What's the most an incumbent governor has ever lost by?
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2014, 02:42:01 PM »

RI 1990: GOP incumbent Ed DiPrete was crushed 74/26, not a typo. Primary: smaller margin but Frank Murkowski got only 19% in the AK-GOV Pub primary where Palin crushed him 51/19.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2014, 02:42:41 PM »

^ Jerry is probably about right. This is what a clean 60/40 Wolf win would look like going strictly on a uniform swing from 2010.



Not perfect, as it disregards partisan floors in some counties (getting >3% in Philly county isn't realistic), but this is theoretically what a uniform would look like.
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