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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2014, 02:37:47 pm »
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That poster is actually an edit of one originally produced by the Party of Marxist Unification (POUM) during the Spanish Civil War, IIRC.
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2014, 02:39:59 pm »
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So tell me just, in what way does nationalizing industries to a worker-owned cooperative help the working man less than your proposal?
Logical fallacy. If you believe that nationalization will help anyone, the burden of proof is on you to justify that position.
OK - I'll give you my point of view. I'd like to see JCL's too, though.
In my opinion, worker-owned cooperatives in the industry finally give the workers a real voice. Then, there would be no need anymore for unions or strikes, as the workers (here are of course also included managers) get to decide what the business does or does not. Usually, workers know what the business needs. There will of course still be managment positions, but now the managers would be chosen by the workers, and not by the guy whose great-grandfather had the luck to be a descendant of some "noble" (Europe) or of some rich English dude ('Murica). 
1. Do you believe that every industry should be forced to adopt this model?

2. What if the workers decide to use their monopoly to massively jack up prices?
1. I'd say not every single one at the same time. We could try it with some industries, and if its working well, then expand it; if not, let it be.

2. There won't be a monopoly - there will still be competition between different factories in one industry. Not every workplace in one industry will be owned by all workers in the total industry, but just by the workers of that workplace. (That's at least how I want it to be)

So - If you have other questions for me, post them here or PM me, I'm off to bed and will answer them tomorrow Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2014, 02:49:40 pm »
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We Federalists believe in helping the working man by getting out of the way of job creators wherever possible, lowering taxes, and opposing nationalization of any industry.

Translation: We believe in "helping" the working man by turning him fully into a slave

No TNF, forced unionization is slouching towards serfdom and that's the cream of your policies.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2014, 05:21:29 pm »
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Also, is "Fedoralist Party" a witty pun or a typo or both?
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2014, 05:30:29 pm »
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jesus christ fix the page Alfred jesus
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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2014, 06:34:10 pm »
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jesus christ fix the page Alfred jesus

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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2014, 10:33:47 pm »
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I thought the olololols would respect the concept of continuing onto another line Sad

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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2014, 11:52:13 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Bingo.

Also why Alfred.
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2014, 04:51:57 am »
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Quoting yourself doesn't make it better.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2014, 10:05:25 am »
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Quoting yourself doesn't make it better.

I tried to click the modify button Sad.

And y'all can always scroll to the right.
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2014, 10:36:15 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2014, 02:12:27 am »
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Please note that Labor used a 30's Communist poster and remade it for their needs.
But what is Communism? Communism advocates no ideals, it is not even an ideology. It's just a form of  common robbery, which differs from the ordinary crimes by having a slight political edge. Even Marx, Engels and Lenin saw communism as a "social formation" that will equally satisfy biological and physiological needs of all people, because these extreme materialist bastards didn't recognized anything beyond it. There's nothing spiritual or moral in communism, even in theory. Ideal "communist society" is a prison, where everybody gets equal treatment and protection. Every bum in the gutter or a criminal on the streets is a potential communist.
And I would like Labor to answer this question: is this the goal you're trying to achieve using a cheap remake of the most vile ideologies ever's poster?
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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2014, 06:26:58 am »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.
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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2014, 09:49:43 am »
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Please note that Labor used a 30's Communist poster and remade it for their needs.
But what is Communism? Communism advocates no ideals, it is not even an ideology. It's just a form of  common robbery, which differs from the ordinary crimes by having a slight political edge. Even Marx, Engels and Lenin saw communism as a "social formation" that will equally satisfy biological and physiological needs of all people, because these extreme materialist bastards didn't recognized anything beyond it. There's nothing spiritual or moral in communism, even in theory. Ideal "communist society" is a prison, where everybody gets equal treatment and protection. Every bum in the gutter or a criminal on the streets is a potential communist.
And I would like Labor to answer this question: is this the goal you're trying to achieve using a cheap remake of the most vile ideologies ever's poster?

>calls communism the "most vile ideology ever"
>is a Nazi
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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2014, 10:56:24 am »
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I'll take this opportunity to retract my endorsement of DC and switch my support to Ben. Better someone who doesn't show up to vote at all than someone who's incapable of understanding why supporters of abortion rights do not regard abortion as murder.
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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2014, 11:12:36 am »
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I don't understand why we pro-choicers and pro-lifers can't just get along, but then again, I don't understand the pro-lifers point of view in general. If you don't support abortions, just don't get one. I don't support a lot of things, but I'm not here to tell people they can't do things I don't support!

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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2014, 11:24:31 am »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.

...no.
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2014, 12:27:15 pm »
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Please note that Labor used a 30's Communist poster and remade it for their needs.
But what is Communism? Communism advocates no ideals, it is not even an ideology. It's just a form of  common robbery, which differs from the ordinary crimes by having a slight political edge. Even Marx, Engels and Lenin saw communism as a "social formation" that will equally satisfy biological and physiological needs of all people, because these extreme materialist bastards didn't recognized anything beyond it. There's nothing spiritual or moral in communism, even in theory. Ideal "communist society" is a prison, where everybody gets equal treatment and protection. Every bum in the gutter or a criminal on the streets is a potential communist.
And I would like Labor to answer this question: is this the goal you're trying to achieve using a cheap remake of the most vile ideologies ever's poster?

>calls communism the "most vile ideology ever"
>is a Nazi
Here we go again. Yes, I indeed made some controversial statements in the past, but I already apologized for them.
I never supported any National Socialist ideas and most of my support for far-right in Europe is a protest vote against the pro-Brussels establishment. If you believe that not believing leftist propaganda is equal to Nazism, I have bad news for you, TNF.
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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2014, 04:07:42 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.

So, you're fine with me saying that a great unifier of the right is to push women's rights back to the 19th century?
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2014, 06:52:19 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.

So, you're fine with me saying that a great unifier of the right is to push women's rights back to the 19th century?

In social terms DC does have a point Scott. Abortion rights are a unifying point of modern leftists. Rightists are quite divided with regards to woman's rights excluding abortion.
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2014, 09:15:39 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.

So, you're fine with me saying that a great unifier of the right is to push women's rights back to the 19th century?

In social terms DC does have a point Scott. Abortion rights are a unifying point of modern leftists. Rightists are quite divided with regards to woman's rights excluding abortion.

Yes, I realize that, but I found the way he phrased it to be offensive and, frankly, immature.  I also don't know where the idea of leftists handing children to "drug pushers" comes from.

(Though in all honesty, I had a pretty awful night last night, so I was more apt to get angered over things I normally wouldn't take too personally.)
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2014, 09:24:11 pm »
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y u mad tho

Supporting working communities also means sharing their values. The Labor Party's social platform needs to be altered from it's Neoliberal tripe.

It's the great contradiction of the modern left. They preach caring for the country's most vulnerable, and hand its babies to butchers and its children to drug pushers.

Quite a surprise, this post is, considering the source.  DC, I know you're neither ignorant nor narrow-minded enough to make such an asinine, strawman-filled comment like you just did.  So, why don't we give you a chance to retract it?

I shall do no such thing. One of the great unifiers of the left is a woman's right to murder her unborn child.

So, you're fine with me saying that a great unifier of the right is to push women's rights back to the 19th century?

In social terms DC does have a point Scott. Abortion rights are a unifying point of modern leftists. Rightists are quite divided with regards to woman's rights excluding abortion.

Yes, I realize that, but I found the way he phrased it to be offensive and, frankly, immature.  I also don't know where the idea of leftists handing children to "drug pushers" comes from.

(Though in all honesty, I had a pretty awful night last night, so I was more apt to get angered over things I normally wouldn't take too personally.)

We've all been in that place at one time or another.
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