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MalaspinaGold
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« on: July 08, 2014, 12:05:56 AM »

Obama writes op-ed for Haaretz.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.603324
Mostly milquetoasty platitudes, calling for peace/two-state solution.
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 02:31:14 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/house-israel-resolution_n_5578649.html

Anyone care to comment on this besides the Ayatollah Snowstalker and Holy Joe dead0man?
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 06:48:05 PM »

The Forward's J.J. Goldberg has an excellent article on how this whole mess is at least partly Netanyahu's fault.

http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/

The article focuses on how 1) The government implemented a gag order on the news of the deaths of the three teens (which they learned of the day after the abduction), and 2) immediately denouncing this as a Hamas operation and a result of Hamas-Fatah unity. In fact, the Hamas in Hebron is generally independent from Hamas in Gaza. Both of these dangerously inflamed right wing sentiment, so that when the bodies were finally found, Netanyahu found himself between a rock and a hard place with respect to his Jewish Home ministers.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2014, 08:53:12 PM »

Right wingers attack left wing demonstrators in Tel Aviv
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MalaspinaGold
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 01:02:36 AM »

Netanyahu has just sacked deputy defense minister Danny Danon, for criticism of Pillar (ie they didn't send ground troops in)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-fires-danny-danon-over-criticism-of-gaza-war/

First sane thing he's done in a LONG time.
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MalaspinaGold
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 12:46:17 AM »

His handling of this mess has been insane so far?
Considering that Netanyahu did as much as possible to inflame the situation (gag orders plus wagging tongue touching off on Fatah-Hamas unity government), the answer is clearly yes.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 12:09:18 PM »

Umm... they knew about the teenagers deaths the ENTIRE time the "search" was going on. The entire search was just a highly transparent attempt to break up Hamas in the West Bank, which is ironic, because a) he completely failed, b) Hamas proper had nothing to do with the kidnapping, and c) Hamas in retaliation started firing rockets. So yes, I do agree that the entire mess is 80% Netanyahu's fault.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 12:37:49 PM »
« Edited: July 17, 2014, 12:40:18 PM by MalaspinaGold »

To address your questions:
1) When they found out the teenagers were dead (aka the DAY AFTER the abduction), they should have announced it, and not have placed a gag order on it. If I remember correctly, in the SOS phone call, one of the teens even identified the location they were at. What this shows is that Netanyahu did not give a rat's tail whether the teenagers were alive or dead, he wanted to use the "search" for the boys in order to break up Hamas in the West Bank, which did not have anything to do with the kidnapping.

2) In retrospect, it should have been clear that Hamas did not order the kidnappings. Why? Because, contrary to typical Hamas procedure, they never claimed responsibility. It is now known that the so-called "Hamas in Hebron", a semi-independent Hamas cell, was behind it, did not receive orders from Hamas headquarters, and moreover is known more as a terror crime family than as an integrated subgroup of Hamas.
This is not the first time they've tried to play Israel and Hamas against each other. In 2003, they staged a terror attack in Jerusalem to sabotage a ceasefire. Israel being Israel, they conduct the assassination of the Hamas number 3 man, who opposed suicide bombings.  It seems they have succeeded yet again. http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201172/unruly-hebron-clan-pushes-hamas-and-israel-to/?

3) You seemed to have your facts slightly messed up. There were rockets fired, but almost none were by Hamas, rather by other local jihadi outfits. Hamas has (semi-competently) played the cop in Gaza, grudgingly dismantling rocket launch sites when they find them.

EDIT: Essentially this whole thing has been: Hamas in Hebron shooting Hamas in the chest, with Israel picking up the gun and shooting its own foot.
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