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« on: July 13, 2014, 04:07:57 pm »

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#420YES Amendment

The right of all adult persons to engage in the recreational use of mind-altering substances shall not be infringed. No law shall be made abridging this right, nor shall any person be imprisoned for any length of time for the recreational use of mind-altering substances, nor any involuntary rehabilitation program prescribed by a court of law.

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 11:38:30 am »

I'm concerned - does this legalize drunk driving? And if you stab a guy while on PCP, should you be allowed to take PCP again whenever you want?
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 11:50:51 am »

Mind altering substances could mean many, many, things.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 11:39:56 pm »

We'll certainly need more specifications here. Obviously, someone shouldn't be able to get behind the wheel of a vehicle while intoxicated without being subjected to punishment.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 10:04:14 am »

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#420YES Amendment

The right of all adult persons to engage in the recreational use of mind-altering substances in private shall not be infringed. No law shall be made abridging this right, nor shall any person be imprisoned for any length of time for the recreational use of mind-altering substances, nor any involuntary rehabilitation program prescribed by a court of law.
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That probably sums up most of the concerns just expressed, because it still allows for regulation of drug use in public.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 02:00:05 pm »

Senator TNF, are you friendly or hostile to Senator TNF's amendment Tongue?
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 04:32:24 pm »

Senator TNF, are you friendly or hostile to Senator TNF's amendment Tongue?

You don't have to ask that if I'm the one introducing the amendment.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 05:05:35 pm »

Senator TNF, are you friendly or hostile to Senator TNF's amendment Tongue?

You don't have to ask that if I'm the one introducing the amendment.

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2. The legislation's primary sponsor shall judge the amendment(s) in relation to their intent with the legislation. If judged friendly by the sponsor, the President of the Senate shall give twenty four hours for objections to the amendment, after which, with no objections having been entered the amendment shall be considered as passed.
I think I have to ask you that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 08:00:44 pm »

The Vice President is a stickler for the rules and exact wording, it seems.
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 02:18:21 am »

The Vice President is a stickler for the rules and exact wording, it seems.
Well, I know that what I am doing is probably irritating, but I have been elected "President of the Senate", so I have to be a respectful member of the senate and to follow the rules. Maybe I take my job too seriously, but I believe that respecting the rules is really a necesssity. Why? Because I wouldn't want some legislations I would have administred to be struck down by the court because of a problem with the rules. That will probably never happen, and  I don't want to take the risk.


I know I'm annoying by doing that, but I will continue to do that.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 03:59:37 am »

Well, senatorsn you have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 09:09:38 am »

The presumption is that the sponsor wouldn't offer an amendment that he found hostile to the intent of the legislation he drafted, unless he were to state otherwise for sake of wanting a vote on it for some reason. Tongue

Considering recent events, safe play is probably the best. I used to worry that Nappy or someone would sue over a process he didn't like and Nappy was always one to take it to the edge. I recall one time he and VP Duke got into it something awfull...
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2014, 10:01:18 am »

Speaking as Attorney General, this could potentially be a constitutional nightmare. Barring how broad "mind-altering substances" can be, the "abridging this right" is open to interpretation as to whether there can be no regulation of any kind on recreational drugs or if federal and regional governments can regulate products (or even create a situation where use is legal or decriminalized but production and dealing is illegal, which some propose as a solution). In addition, the "nor any involuntary rehabilitation program prescribed by a court of law" should be clarified as pertaining to the use of recreational drugs--otherwise you have just banned rehabilitation programs from being part of a sentence for other criminal acts.

In addition, given, again, how broad the spectrum of "mind-altering substances" is (from the mostly safe LSD/some psychedelic mushrooms/marijuana to Krokodil or crystal meth), it would perhaps be more prudent to cover the statuses of them under law rather than a sweeping constitutional amendment.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2014, 02:22:43 pm »

This proposition is way too broad. Please be more specific in what intoxicants you wish to legalize.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2014, 05:24:44 pm »

Tangentially related, I plan to have drug use and DUI statistics soon enough.
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2014, 10:24:07 am »

I support full decriminalization of recreational use, of course, but I also support some regulations, like what people are talking about. Driving while sky high would not be acceptable, so I don't think it would be too tough to add something that says, "This shall not be construed to disallow regulations."
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2014, 12:50:23 pm »

Without any objection, senator TNF's amendment passes.
Quote from: amendment offered
#420YES Amendment

The right of all adult persons to engage in the recreational use of mind-altering substances in private shall not be infringed. No law shall be made abridging this right, nor shall any person be imprisoned for any length of time for the recreational use of mind-altering substances, nor any involuntary rehabilitation program prescribed by a court of law.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2014, 11:36:27 am »

So, where is this at present?
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2014, 11:58:41 am »

I don't really think this is the sort of right worth putting in the constitution, but if it is we really, really need to define what mind altering substances means.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2014, 12:11:48 pm »

I also believe this proposition is too broad (and as many of you know I am not very supportive of legislation that removes restrictions in regards to drugs), and more than that, I believe that even if some "mind alterning substances" could be allowed in private (like the marijuana example provided by the Attorney General), this approach just leads us into further disorder in this issue and the potential legalization of dangerous hard drugs.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2014, 06:14:40 am »

Are we ready for a final vote here? I am hessitant to motion for it in case TNF wants to amend it further.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2014, 08:32:44 am »

Quote from: amendment offered
#420YES Amendment

The right of all adult persons to engage in the recreational use of mind-altering substances in private shall not be infringed. No law shall be made abridging this right, nor shall any person be imprisoned for any length of time for the recreational use of mind-altering substances, nor any involuntary rehabilitation program prescribed by a court of law. The production and distribution of mind-altering substances shall be subject to all applicable regulation as proscribed by the Senate of Atlasia, as well as regulations proscribed by the Department of Internal Affairs and Regional legislatures and internal affairs departments.
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Hopefully that clears it up a bit more.
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2014, 11:55:38 am »

Drug use stats are posted.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2014, 03:43:58 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2014, 09:29:43 am »

Ooops sorry,
Senators, you have 24 hours to object.
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