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« on: April 04, 2005, 06:22:51 am »
« edited: April 04, 2005, 06:28:35 am by CARLHAYDEN »

As I predicted, more ballots have been found in King county.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002228539_ballots02m.html

Dean Logan doesn't believe those ballots should be counted as they come predominatly from precincts won by Rossi.

Logan, who is being called upon to resign by a member of the county council is trying to shift blame to underlings.

Even the Secretary of State is having second thoughts in defending his old friend.

Hmm.

BTW, even the Democrat party has acknowledged in its filing with the court that the election was a complete mess.

The question remains as to how long Gregoire can drag out the legal process.
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2005, 07:29:58 am »

First, I don't see anyone saying that the vote count was error free. Secnd, and most important, ever if all the votes went to Rossi (which is unlikely), he'd still come up short (by a smaller margin).

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2005, 08:29:49 am »

Ah, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

So much has been found already, and filed with the judge, that even the Democrats in their filing, admitted the election was badly messed up.

Moreover, Logan tried to hide this particular piece of evidence, which has riled the judge.

There's a lot more which will become public in the next few weeks.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2005, 08:47:10 am »

Ah, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

So much has been found already, and filed with the judge, that even the Democrats in their filing, admitted the election was badly messed up.

Moreover, Logan tried to hide this particular piece of evidence, which has riled the judge.

There's a lot more which will become public in the next few weeks.

If and when enough of the iceburg bobs to the surface, I might change my opinion.  Get the evidence that this could make a difference and I might change my opinion.

There is precedent for a revote (and federal precedent for overturning a state election).
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2005, 08:53:10 am »

I posted this primarily to remind Alcon that I predicted this (yes, I do have inside knowledge).

As I earlier posted, a mass of evidence is emerging.

The smart Democrats in Washington will begin edging away from Gregoire, and those in King county will be acknowledging that it is time for Logan to depart.

If the Democrats don't seperate themselves from Gregoire and Logan, they're likely to go down with the ship.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2005, 03:54:57 pm »

There's a good chance this would widen Gregoire's victory if counted.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2005, 06:38:47 pm »

LOL. This thread makes me laugh.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2005, 08:51:31 pm »
« Edited: April 04, 2005, 10:19:03 pm by Alcon »

You know, Carl, you may have a point, but 80% of Washington State's population no longer cares.

(EDIT: I do not mean to demean your predictions or anything - you are a very smart person and did a great job investigating this. I respect that to a huge degree. However, I think many in the state feel that it is time to move on, bring stability, and end this.)
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2005, 08:58:09 pm »

There's a good chance this would widen Gregoire's victory if counted.

Oddly enough, I agree.  I've been one of the Republicans that has not willing to call this a "stolen election," or suggest that their should be a revote.

We need proof to do either, and, so far, we do not have it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2005, 08:07:12 am »

Actually, Washington is a test case for the liberal Democrats.

Can you get away with stealing an election not by paying floaters, but by rigging the results.

More primitive methods of this type were used in the bygone days, but this is a sophisticated 'modern' version.

The bottom line of the question is why even bother to go to the expense of holding elections if the likes of Dean Logan are going to decide them?

Also (for Alcon), stonewalling doesn't work.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2005, 11:12:05 am »

LOL. This thread makes me laugh.

Word.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2005, 03:42:30 pm »

Well this election was probably stolen. No matter, Repulicans will probably steal it back next election and rightfully so.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2005, 03:45:50 pm »


Yes it is pleasant but very small potatos as payback for 2000.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2005, 04:48:35 pm »
« Edited: April 05, 2005, 04:50:13 pm by Jesus »

What I find fascinating is that Rossi seems to have absolutely no plan to keep and use the "sympathy" support he gained after this ordeal. Instead, he's keeping the election going an extra half-year and slowly but surely eroding this extra support. Aside from the election, Gregoire hasn't done anything to piss anybody off yet, she's just doing her job.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2005, 08:33:47 pm »

Its doesn't matter how much "sympathy" or how many votes are cast for Rossi so long as Logan is 'counting' the votes.

There general concensus among posters on this thread is that, 'so, the election was stolen.'

No one has bother to answer my earlier question as to why one should even bother to have elections if they are to be routinely stolen.
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2005, 08:37:28 pm »

I, for one, have not used the term "stolen."  Obviously, errors were made, but as of this monent, there is no evidence that these errors have effected the result.

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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2005, 08:26:23 am »

The question becomes a definitional one.

When one disobeys a clear state law regarding the process of counting votes, is this merely a "mistake"?

When the disobedience of the law favors one party/candidate, is this merely a "mistake,"

When there is a pattern of cover up and lies about the vote count, is this merely a "mistake"?

Just how massive must the "mistakes" be to render the election results void?
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2005, 09:25:50 am »

Has this not run its course yet?

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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2005, 10:24:17 am »

The inauguration is over. Washington has its governor. Rossi is an idiot, and if he wants a political career, he can come to his senses, quit acting like a 5 year old, and run for the Senate.

Right now, he's just destroying his chances of being elected to anything.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2005, 11:46:38 am »

The question becomes a definitional one.

When one disobeys a clear state law regarding the process of counting votes, is this merely a "mistake"?

When the disobedience of the law favors one party/candidate, is this merely a "mistake,"

When there is a pattern of cover up and lies about the vote count, is this merely a "mistake"?

Just how massive must the "mistakes" be to render the election results void?

The "mistakes" would have to be enough to effect the results; they are not there, yet.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2005, 12:30:50 pm »

Oh god, when will this issue die?
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2005, 09:18:25 pm »

The question becomes a definitional one.

When one disobeys a clear state law regarding the process of counting votes, is this merely a "mistake"?

When the disobedience of the law favors one party/candidate, is this merely a "mistake,"

When there is a pattern of cover up and lies about the vote count, is this merely a "mistake"?

Just how massive must the "mistakes" be to render the election results void?

The "mistakes" would have to be enough to effect the results; they are not there, yet.

I have NOT yet posted most of the grisly details, which do far exceed the margin of victory.

My point of this particular thread is that months after the election, more evidence emerges of Logan's perfidity.

Slowly the story is seeping out.

If you remember my predictions  (which were denied by others here at the time), they have come to pass.

I notice that everyone is skipping around the basic question of why bother to hold an election if the vote counter will alter the results?
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2005, 10:51:20 pm »

Okey Dokey
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2005, 10:53:09 pm »

Someone needs to take Rossi and take the Democrats that ran the King County counting effort and deport them. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2005, 11:32:58 pm »

Carl, I'm not "stonewalling." "Stonewalling" suggests that I am delaying something, which would require actually having some power on my part to delay anything. Do you not think there is any merit to the argument that the state should probably not have a change in administration five months after the first election?

As to your question: Washington State generally has smooth elections, and as a resident of it, I am very proud of that. This was a screw up. We need to fix the situation, but "routinely stolen"? We have elections that Republicans win - you can claim that the election was stolen if you like, but arguing that because you believe one close election was stolen, democracy of pointless is arguing that you should throw away the entire crop just because one banana is bruised.

We can fix this problem. Dwelling on this election like Republicans are currently is not the way to fix it - more talk about how to prevent this from happening again, not more whining about it happening.
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