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King of Kensington
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« on: August 03, 2014, 10:30:59 PM »

What are the "equivalents" of Canadian ridings in other cities/provinces?

For example:

St. Paul's : Vancouver Quadra : Winnipeg South Centre
(well-off urban professionals and old money)

Eglinton-Lawrence : Mount Royal
(postwar Jewish suburbia with some working class areas)

Halifax : Victoria
(mid-sized cities with a university that are strongly NDP)

Kingston and the Islands : Guelph
(smaller cities with a university that vote Liberal)

Use old or new riding distributions and do whatever combinations you want.  Or even compare say, federal/provincial ridings in Ontario with a series of provincial ridings in other provinces.  For example, Vancouver-Fairview and Point Grey ridings are a mix of Trinity-Spadina and St. Paul's with Beaches thrown in.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 03:43:03 AM »

I had a thread doing this between Australia and Canada on the International What If board, but never finished. Australia and Canada have many similarities - large countries with small populations, mainly resource-based economies, Commonwealth nations with similar governance... probably other similarities, too. Likewise, some states and provinces also have things in common, and again for cities.

In answer to your question:

1. Higgins, Kooyong, Goldstein (Vic), most of Sydney's northern suburbs electorates.

2. Melbourne Ports.

Wentworth has aspects that fit in both categories.

3. & 4. I'll have to think and get back to you.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 04:14:05 AM »

Kingston and the Islands Purple heart
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2014, 10:18:05 PM »

Thanks Smid!  Yes, Australia/Canada is a great comparison.  UK/Canada are harder to compare.  Trying to think of some Toronto/London comparisons perhaps?

Some Vancouver/Toronto comparisons (areas not ridings):

West End - Church-Wellesley with Queen West thrown in

Yaletown - King-Spadina

Fairview - Yonge & St. Clair

Kitsilano - Beaches + Annex

Shaughnessy - Forest Hill + Rosedale

West Vancouver - closer-in Oakville

North Vancouver - ?

Richmond - Agincourt/Markham

Burnaby - East York with bits of southwest Scarborough and eastern North York(?)

Surrey - Brampton

Some Montreal/Toronto:

Westmount - basically the equivalent of Rosedale, Forest Hill, Yonge & St. Clair, Summerhill

Mile End - Kensington

Outremont - the Annex (?)

Montreal Nord - old borough of York/Weston (?)

St. Leonard - Downsview (?)

Hampstead and Cote St. Luc - Bathurst Corridor of North York

West Island - Central Etobicoke/Port Credit/Oakville (?)
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 02:05:51 PM »

Ottawa Centre - Trinity-Spadina
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 05:23:28 PM »

Yup.  Van Centre seems to be both Trinity-Spadina and Toronto Centre (minus Rosedale).

One difference between Toronto and Vancouver, Montreal and most other Canadian cities is there isn't as sharp an east/west or north/side divide.  So it's hard to think of a Toronto equivalent to say, Vancouver East.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 04:03:19 PM »

Ottawa South - Don Valley West
Ottawa-Vanier - Toronto Centre or Westmount-Ville Marie
Ottawa West-Nepean - York Centre
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2014, 05:49:41 PM »

Ottawa South - Don Valley West
Ottawa-Vanier - Toronto Centre or Westmount-Ville Marie
Ottawa West-Nepean - York Centre


Vanier I see, don't agree with the other two.  Ottawa South isn't that wealthy - maybe more akin to DVE?  York Centre is too "ethnic"/Jewish to really have a counterpart anywhere than Montreal IMO.  Maybe it's the DVW - it's a mix of city and suburb and more affluent - maybe it's the DVW? 
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 06:47:30 PM »

Ottawa South has some rather wealthy bits (Alta Vista in particular). Maybe not as wealthy DVW. Maybe St. Paul's is a better fit. I was just thinking that Heron Gate and Thorncliffe Park are really poor neighbourhoods close to affluent neighbourhoods.

I picked York Centre because it is a swing riding, with a large Jewish population. OWN has the highest Jewish population in the Ottawa area, I think.

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 07:01:58 PM »

OK I see your logic, though it's kind of hard because Ottawa's "Jewish" neighborhoods are probably about the same percentage of the population as they are in say, the Annex in Toronto. 

Is Ottawa West-Nepean's "Ottawa" part still pre-war city or is it more postwar suburban infill development?



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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 07:21:34 PM »

More Van/TO comparisons:

Vancouver-Kingsway: Toronto-Danforth

Vancouver South: Don Valley East (?)  Also a bit like Ottawa South though much more Chinese and no Black population. 

Vancouver East: Nothing!  Some mix of Toronto Centre and Parkdale is closest

Burnaby-Douglas: In urban form it's a lot like East York.  If the east end was split north/south instead of east/west and we had an East York riding, with perhaps Scarborough Southwest thrown in.  Again the Chinese population is a bit of an outlier here given the lack of a Chinese population in working class 40s/50s burbs in Toronto (they're either in the Chinatowns or in later "boomburbs")

Burnaby-New Westminster:  Scarborough Centre maybe?

Newton-North Delta = Bramalea-Gore-Malton

Fleetwood-Port Kells = Brampton-Springdale


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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 11:32:46 AM »

OK I see your logic, though it's kind of hard because Ottawa's "Jewish" neighborhoods are probably about the same percentage of the population as they are in say, the Annex in Toronto. 

Is Ottawa West-Nepean's "Ottawa" part still pre-war city or is it more postwar suburban infill development?





It's mostly post-war, but it has some older neighbourhoods, like Britannia.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 09:16:17 AM »

Calgary Skyview: Brampton North.  Both are suburban ridings that are ~61% visible minority, with South Asians making up a significant part of that number.
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