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« on: September 25, 2014, 11:18:43 AM »

Decent.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 11:25:00 AM »
« Edited: September 25, 2014, 11:27:36 AM by backtored »

Excellent news! Still within the margin of error, but this may actually be winnable finally.

Gardner would have to be outside the margin of error by election day in order to be decently sure of his election. Buck was ahead by 1 in the last poll, but Bennet won by 2.

1.) Unless you're on a Marist-only polling diet, the race has been essentially tied for the entire campaign.

2.) You're right about the lessons learned from Buck/Bennet.  With the exception of the low-turnout off-year 2013 conservative fiesta, the GOP in Colorado has frequently underperformed on Election Day.  Maybe 2013 was a signal of a realigned, GOP-leaning electorate, but otherwise I have to assume that the GOP will probably not do quite as well as the polling suggests.  We'll see.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 11:40:43 AM »
« Edited: September 25, 2014, 11:44:33 AM by backtored »

Excellent news! Still within the margin of error, but this may actually be winnable finally.

Gardner would have to be outside the margin of error by election day in order to be decently sure of his election. Buck was ahead by 1 in the last poll, but Bennet won by 2.

I think those assuming that a 3 point error in one election (within the margin of error) is indicative of some systemic polling bias are potentially guilty of a Type I error. Udall underperformed the polls in 2008, which seems just as likely for Udall to replicate as a repeat of Bennet's 2010 upset.

Exactly.  But even assuming that PPP is off by three points every single Colorado election, this is still not bad at all for Gardner.

Didn't PPP actually overestimate Obama's performance in Colorado by a point or two, anyway?

Moreover, I'm not on for picking apart crosstabs, because it is usually a fruitless exercise far beyond my credentials, but I'll just note that the sample in the PPP poll actually has more Democrats than Republicans as well as a 14% Hispanic sample.  There has been a lot of talk around here about Latinos staying home in protest of the White House immigration executive order delay.  In fact, I've seen that discussion in the national press, too, so I suspect that it is something that Democrats really are worried about.  I can't imagine an electorate any more D-leaning than what PPP has produced here, and still the Republicans leads by two.  Good stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 11:48:41 AM »

Excellent news! Still within the margin of error, but this may actually be winnable finally.

Gardner would have to be outside the margin of error by election day in order to be decently sure of his election. Buck was ahead by 1 in the last poll, but Bennet won by 2.

I think those assuming that a 3 point error in one election (within the margin of error) is indicative of some systemic polling bias are potentially guilty of a Type I error. Udall underperformed the polls in 2008, which seems just as likely for Udall to replicate as a repeat of Bennet's 2010 upset.

Exactly.  But even assuming that PPP is off by three points every single Colorado election, this is still not bad at all for Gardner.

Didn't PPP actually overestimate Obama's performance in Colorado by a point or two, anyway?

PPP had Obama 52-46,  result was 51.45-46.09

Therefore Gardner is really up 2.64 points instead of merely two.

I'm kidding.  I'm kidding.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 12:53:43 PM »

Vote by mail could give Udall a small boost too.

I'm sure that that is being incorporated into pollsters' turnout models.
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