Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Јas]

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[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

[Alexander Hamilton]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

So do we treat the Mideast DC as any other state in the region?

[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

So do we treat the Mideast DC as any other state in the region?

     Yes. In fact, the Mideast had a Governor nearly a year ago who resided in D.C.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cabinet Restructuring Act 2009

Pre-amble

The Senate recognises the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

Section 1.
a. The post of Secretary for Health and Social Affairs is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary for Health and Social Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare and Housing and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

Section 2.
a. The post of Secretary of the Treasury is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary of the Treasury shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.
c. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.

I applaud the Senator for introducing this bill. We definately need a better economic framework for the country. I have one question. Are these playable or non playable?

[Јas]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

     So I assume that would mean that D.C. being in the Mideast is actually an error (which would in turn mean that The Mikado was not legally Governor ).

[Alexander Hamilton]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

     So I assume that would mean that D.C. being in the Mideast is actually an error (which would in turn mean that The Mikado was not legally Governor ).

It just means that our capital city is not subject to the same restrictions as US's capital.

[Associate Justice PiT]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

     So I assume that would mean that D.C. being in the Mideast is actually an error (which would in turn mean that The Mikado was not legally Governor ).

It just means that our capital city is not subject to the same restrictions as US's capital.

     Notice the particular part of the quoted clause that I just bolded.

[Alexander Hamilton]

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     Yet there is still a D.C. incorporated into the Mideast. I suppose that this would this mean that it is a separate locale from Nyman D.C.

Nope
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=4957.0

     So I assume that would mean that D.C. being in the Mideast is actually an error (which would in turn mean that The Mikado was not legally Governor ).

It just means that our capital city is not subject to the same restrictions as US's capital.

     Notice the particular part of the quoted clause that I just bolded.

Then I guess Mikado wasn't legally Governor. So anything he signed is unlawed I assume?

[Franzl]

I don't think you can do that retroactively

He was a governor, and since it wasn't legally challenged at that time, I don't see what that matters now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment to the OSPR regarding Parliamentary Behaviour

Article 8; Senate Behaviour is hereby added to the OSPR and subsequent sections re-numbered accordingly.

Article 8: Senate Behaviour is to read as follows:

Improper behaviour and the use of unparliamentary language by Senators is hereby forbidden in all Senate debates and votes.

Section 1: Improper Behaviour

1. Improper behavior is defined as personal attacks on other Senators, blatantly false accusations, and lewd conduct.
2. Improper behavior during legislative debate in the Senate shall result in suspension from that chamber at the PPT's request.
3. The conditions of the suspension shall be determined at the PPT's discretion.
4. Following the PPT's decision on the matter, atleast three other Senators must then sign a certification of suspension from the chamber.

Section 2: Unparliamentary language

1. The words 'liar', 'asshole', 'jerk', 'pig', 'swine', 'coward' and 'traitor' are hereby considered to be unparliamentary language and shall not be used in any Senate debates and votes.
2. Use of the aforementioned words by a Senator shall result in a reminder of parliamentary etiquette by the PPT.
3. Further breaches of the terms in this Section by a Senator shall result in consequences to be determined by the PPT at such time.
4. Additional words can be added or words can be removed from the above list at any time by any Senator.

Might I ask why this is important, and what instances have made this necessary? Clause 4 section 2 could easily lend itself to being unfairly politicized and abused. The whole idea of "Suspension" from the chamber seems ludacris and unnecessary. Seems like it would consitute the denial of a constitutency's constitutional right to representation on votes and debates, especially when it comes to regional senators. Such a thing should only occur if a Senator is expelled or the seat is declared vacant. Expulsion is too severe for the standards for punishment in this legislation in my opinion.

[Fritz]

Ditto what Yankee said.  This is too subjective to be legislated.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I don't really like it either, to be honest. But people should've known I'd hate it considering..

[tmthforu94]

I actually favor Senator Hashemite's bill, although I don't think "jerK" is that bad, and I think this should be included for anyone posting on the Senate floor, not just the Senators.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't really like it either, to be honest. But people should've known I'd hate it considering..

lol

You becoming cautious to the point that you are no longer out spoken would be a sheer trajedy, the Senate would be very boring indeed.

[Hash]

I'm open to making it less strict and work on reducing the consequences.

I thank Senator Tmthforu94 for his support.

[Rowan]

I will never support that kind of bill, but I'll wait until it comes to the floor before we discuss more of it.

[afleitch]

Cabinet Restructuring Act 2009

Pre-amble

The Senate recognises the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

Section 1.
a. The post of Secretary for Health and Social Affairs is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary for Health and Social Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare and Housing and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

Section 2.
a. The post of Secretary of the Treasury is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary of the Treasury shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.
c. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.

I applaud the Senator for introducing this bill. We definately need a better economic framework for the country. I have one question. Are these playable or non playable?

Oh very playable I don't see why not given the support that the GM can now provide to government officials.

[Хahar 🤔]

Just ban insults on the Senate floor, I think. Also, banning "pig" might have unintended consequences with agricultural legislation (not that we have much of that).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cabinet Restructuring Act 2009

Pre-amble

The Senate recognises the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

Section 1.
a. The post of Secretary for Health and Social Affairs is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary for Health and Social Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare and Housing and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

Section 2.
a. The post of Secretary of the Treasury is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary of the Treasury shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.
c. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.

I applaud the Senator for introducing this bill. We definately need a better economic framework for the country. I have one question. Are these playable or non playable?

Oh very playable I don't see why not given the support that the GM can now provide to government officials.

I was just wondering since the current GM doesn't like creating new offices. I was thinking of creating a Fed chairman that was playable. We could allow dual officeholding just for that office and give it to Sam Spade, that would be cool. I know he is busy now a days but all we would have to do is come on every month and pretend to be Alan Greenspan for 30 minutes.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Just ban insults on the Senate floor, I think. Also, banning "pig" might have unintended consequences with agricultural legislation (not that we have much of that).

     Replace all instances of the word "pig" in legislation with "porcine animal".

[Purple State]

Cabinet Restructuring Act 2009

Pre-amble

The Senate recognises the recent legislative changes that have taken place and the potential effects and opportunities therein.

Section 1.
a. The post of Secretary for Health and Social Affairs is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary for Health and Social Affairs shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Health, Education, Welfare and Housing and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.

Section 2.
a. The post of Secretary of the Treasury is therefore established to be filled in accordance with existing Senate procedure.
b. The Secretary of the Treasury shall be responsible for the following portfolios; Taxation, Social Security, budgetary concerns and in addition any other briefs conferred upon the Secretary by the President.
c. The Secretary of the Treasury shall, with the assistance of the Game Moderator, be required to address the Senate once each session on the state of the economy and public expenditure.

I applaud the Senator for introducing this bill. We definately need a better economic framework for the country. I have one question. Are these playable or non playable?

Oh very playable I don't see why not given the support that the GM can now provide to government officials.

I was just wondering since the current GM doesn't like creating new offices. I was thinking of creating a Fed chairman that was playable. We could allow dual officeholding just for that office and give it to Sam Spade, that would be cool. I know he is busy now a days but all we would have to do is come on every month and pretend to be Alan Greenspan for 30 minutes.

My distaste for creating new offices is more about practical reasons than ideological ones. It simply reduces competition and turns this game into a government sim, rather than an election one. Are the current Cabinet officials that busy? I believe Treasury is already in the job description of the SoFA.

Just my thoughts in a non-GM, pro-game reform capacity. As GM, I would say that the possibility of having people to respond to my releases is always exciting, although it would be just as exciting if individuals already in government would respond substantively as well (not all, but a good chunk of ya'll could use your bully pulpits a little more. The markets and the world would appreciate it.)

[HappyWarrior]

Can someone explain the constitutionality of the motorcycle bill to me please.  How is the naitonal government given the right to legislate traffic policy?  Should'nt this be a regional rights issue?  And why isn't the "Regional Rights" Party againest it?

[Purple State]

Can someone explain the constitutionality of the motorcycle bill to me please.  How is the naitonal government given the right to legislate traffic policy?  Should'nt this be a regional rights issue?  And why isn't the "Regional Rights" Party againest it?

So sue. I'm already in one lawsuit.