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« Reply #675 on: May 13, 2008, 05:22:03 pm »

That makes sense, but what about your other change? The point of tabling is to have it reach the Senate at some later date. If you want to kill it, get a vote for cloture.

As used in Atlasia, the point of tabling a bill is generally to kill it.

But that's not the correct use of tabling.

Take it up with real governing bodies, which do the same thing.
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« Reply #676 on: May 13, 2008, 05:40:03 pm »

That makes sense, but what about your other change? The point of tabling is to have it reach the Senate at some later date. If you want to kill it, get a vote for cloture.

As used in Atlasia, the point of tabling a bill is generally to kill it.

But that's not the correct use of tabling.

Take it up with real governing bodies, which do the same thing.

Well, this can be discussed when the bill's on the floor.
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« Reply #677 on: May 18, 2008, 06:45:01 pm »

Call it something other than tabling please.  To table has directly opposite meanings in American and British, and since quite a few people here have British rather than American as their first language it would be nice to avoid predictable confusion.
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« Reply #678 on: June 17, 2008, 12:57:02 pm »

Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.

United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.

Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.

Somebody introduce these and we can get the Senate up and running again. I'll have more soon.
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« Reply #679 on: June 17, 2008, 01:40:43 pm »

Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.


I was just going to suggest this myself. 
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« Reply #680 on: June 17, 2008, 01:43:23 pm »

Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.


I was just going to suggest this myself. 

Great minds think alike? Tongue

Well, Meeker's on right now. Get to it, Senator!
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« Reply #681 on: June 17, 2008, 01:46:26 pm »

I'm not so sure about the budget one yet... if we reinstitute the GM, couldn't we potentially solve the problem of not having a basis for the budget? Or were there bigger reasons why the budget turned out to be such a disaster? (It was before my time, so I'm not well versed on it)
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« Reply #682 on: June 17, 2008, 01:56:07 pm »

I'm not so sure about the budget one yet... if we reinstitute the GM, couldn't we potentially solve the problem of not having a basis for the budget? Or were there bigger reasons why the budget turned out to be such a disaster? (It was before my time, so I'm not well versed on it)
Stuff like constradictory wording making it unworkable. Just introduce the three of them so that we can discuss them in the Senate.
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« Reply #683 on: June 17, 2008, 05:58:42 pm »

Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.

United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.

Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.

Somebody introduce these and we can get the Senate up and running again. I'll have more soon.

Somebody introduce these 3!

Another amendment is in the process of taking shape in my head.
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« Reply #684 on: June 18, 2008, 01:17:27 pm »

United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.

Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.

These two are still waiting.
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« Reply #685 on: June 18, 2008, 09:14:15 pm »

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3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.

What does PPAM and Penrose mean?  I understand one person, one vote, which is quite insane (India and China would own the place). Something that comported more to economic power might make some sense.
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« Reply #686 on: June 18, 2008, 10:56:22 pm »

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3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.

What does PPAM and Penrose mean?  I understand one person, one vote, which is quite insane (India and China would own the place). Something that comported more to economic power might make some sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Parliament#Apportionment_of_votes

Penrose is still based on population alone (though a bit differently), but PPAM also takes economics into account.
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« Reply #687 on: July 03, 2008, 02:40:30 pm »

I ask that the PPT disregards Mr. Gporter's bill that he introduced as his NOT A SENATOR
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« Reply #688 on: July 03, 2008, 02:41:23 pm »

thank you, mr. moderate. I do not believe that I was doing anything wrong, only posting legislation.
YOU ARE NOT A SENATOR YOU CANNOT POST LEGISLATION!!!
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« Reply #689 on: July 03, 2008, 02:57:48 pm »

Nasolation at its finest...

Health Care Bill:

1. Health care shall be given to all Atlasians if they or their parents do the ten hours of community service. This community service can consist of basically anything. Including, service in the troops and elsewhere. Health care is also given to the children by the hours of community service their parents do. If the parents do twenty or more hours of community service, they are guarenteed health care for both themselves and their children. If they do between ten and twenty hours of community service, then they earn health care for only themselves.

2. Back to the immigration topic with health care, if the immigrant's records are clear and if they follow the citizenship entry format as it is to be followed, then they will earn health care.
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« Reply #690 on: July 03, 2008, 02:58:50 pm »

Does anyone what charges can be brought against Gporter for taking the oath of office illegally and then trying to vote and introduce legislation?  I can't even find anything relevant other than the fact that he's not a senator.  I don't think there's ever been anyone dumb enough to that before
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« Reply #691 on: July 03, 2008, 03:55:05 pm »

Does anyone what charges can be brought against Gporter for taking the oath of office illegally and then trying to vote and introduce legislation?  I can't even find anything relevant other than the fact that he's not a senator.  I don't think there's ever been anyone dumb enough to that before

None of it will reach the floor in the next 19 hours, so the point is basically moot.
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« Reply #692 on: July 03, 2008, 03:56:44 pm »

Does anyone what charges can be brought against Gporter for taking the oath of office illegally and then trying to vote and introduce legislation?  I can't even find anything relevant other than the fact that he's not a senator.  I don't think there's ever been anyone dumb enough to that before

None of it will reach the floor in the next 19 hours, so the point is basically moot.
True, but if he continues to be active in the next senate, that a problem most definetly arises.  And considering he is not a senator now, what would stop him then?  
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« Reply #693 on: July 03, 2008, 04:05:00 pm »

I was appointed by the governor, AHDuke, that I was the appointed senator and he told me that I could take the oath of office at my convenience. I did so and it is not illegal.
Slight problem there.............AHDUKE IS NOT THE GODDAMN GOVERNOR WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!
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« Reply #694 on: July 03, 2008, 04:07:52 pm »

I was appointed by the governor, AHDuke, that I was the appointed senator and he told me that I could take the oath of office at my convenience. I did so and it is not illegal.
Slight problem there.............AHDUKE IS NOT THE GODDAMN GOVERNOR WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!

Let me explain calmly. You see, gporter hasn't taken High-Level Reading in school, so he understands part of it but hasn't learned to grasp everything. He also can't analyze what certain things mean.
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« Reply #695 on: July 03, 2008, 04:08:40 pm »

I was appointed by the governor, AHDuke, that I was the appointed senator and he told me that I could take the oath of office at my convenience. I did so and it is not illegal.
Slight problem there.............AHDUKE IS NOT THE GODDAMN GOVERNOR WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!

Let me explain calmly. You see, gporter hasn't taken High-Level Reading in school, so he understands part of it but hasn't learned to grasp everything. He also can't analyze what certain things mean.
LOL, coup time yet?
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« Reply #696 on: July 03, 2008, 04:10:50 pm »

I was appointed by the governor, AHDuke, that I was the appointed senator and he told me that I could take the oath of office at my convenience. I did so and it is not illegal.
Slight problem there.............AHDUKE IS NOT THE GODDAMN GOVERNOR WHAT THE HELL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!

Let me explain calmly. You see, gporter hasn't taken High-Level Reading in school, so he understands part of it but hasn't learned to grasp everything. He also can't analyze what certain things mean.
LOL, coup time yet?

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« Reply #697 on: July 04, 2008, 04:52:24 am »

Please introduce:

United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.

Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.

These two are still waiting.
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« Reply #698 on: July 06, 2008, 08:05:08 pm »

That's not a bill we can pass since the Atlasian Senate doesn't have the power to change the UN just because we want to. So I'd ask DWTL to withdraw it.
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« Reply #699 on: July 06, 2008, 08:06:30 pm »

That's not a bill we can pass since the Atlasian Senate doesn't have the power to change the UN just because we want to. So I'd ask DWTL to withdraw it.
Hold on, I'll read it first.  I have no idea if it is good or not, I just promised to introduce bills for people and did a copy/paste Tongue
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