Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

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As far as I know, STV.

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Ukulele Musical Learning Standardization Act

Section 1: Each school district shall include in their musical curriculum the instruction of how to play a ukulele.
Section 2: Each school district may decide in which grade the ukulele instruction shall occur.
Section 3: School districts must provide a ukulele to each student for the duration of the unit.


This is vital legislation.

Is this constitutional?

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Someone propose this:

Legislation Tabling Bill

The following shall be added to Article 4 of the Official Senate Procedural Resolution:

Section 5: Rules on Motions to Table
1.   Any Senator can, during a period of debate, introduce a motion to table the legislation.
2.   The PPT shall open a vote on the motion to table. This vote shall last for a maximum of five (5) days during which time the Senators must vote. Voting may be declared final at any time if the motion to table has been approved or rejected.
3.   For the motion to table to pass, two thirds of the Senate must vote for the motion.
4.   Tabled legislation shall be taken off the Senate floor and moved to the back of a separate queue for tabled legislation.

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Ukulele Musical Learning Standardization Act

Section 1: Each school district shall include in their musical curriculum the instruction of how to play a ukulele.
Section 2: Each school district may decide in which grade the ukulele instruction shall occur.
Section 3: School districts must provide a ukulele to each student for the duration of the unit.


This is vital legislation.

Is this constitutional?

Stupid yes, but it is constitutional if it's a requirement for obtaining federal education funding.

Though, um...generally it's the PPT who strikes down the frivolous legislation, and not the one who proposes it. 

That's what I wa thinking as I looked through the OSPR. That rule should probably be...fixed.

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It shouldn't be required. Encouraged, yes, but not required.

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Just noticed something. This:

Legislation Tabling Bill

The following shall be added to Article 5 of the Official Senate Procedural Resolution:

Section 5: Rules on Motions to Table
1.   Any Senator can, during a period of debate, introduce a motion to table the legislation.
2.   The PPT shall open a vote on the motion to table. This vote shall last for a maximum of two (2) days during which time the Senators must vote. Voting may be declared final at any time if the motion to table has been approved or rejected.
3.   For the motion to table to pass, two thirds of the Senate must vote for the motion.
4.   Tabled legislation shall be taken off the Senate floor.

Is different from this:

Someone propose this:

Legislation Tabling Bill

The following shall be added to Article 4 of the Official Senate Procedural Resolution:

Section 5: Rules on Motions to Table
1.   Any Senator can, during a period of debate, introduce a motion to table the legislation.
2.   The PPT shall open a vote on the motion to table. This vote shall last for a maximum of five (5) days during which time the Senators must vote. Voting may be declared final at any time if the motion to table has been approved or rejected.
3.   For the motion to table to pass, two thirds of the Senate must vote for the motion.
4.   Tabled legislation shall be taken off the Senate floor and moved to the back of a separate queue for tabled legislation.

While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I thought it's worth bringing up, since this'll reach the floor soon.

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Just noticed something. This:

Legislation Tabling Bill

The following shall be added to Article 5 of the Official Senate Procedural Resolution:

Section 5: Rules on Motions to Table
1.   Any Senator can, during a period of debate, introduce a motion to table the legislation.
2.   The PPT shall open a vote on the motion to table. This vote shall last for a maximum of two (2) days during which time the Senators must vote. Voting may be declared final at any time if the motion to table has been approved or rejected.
3.   For the motion to table to pass, two thirds of the Senate must vote for the motion.
4.   Tabled legislation shall be taken off the Senate floor.

Is different from this:

Someone propose this:

Legislation Tabling Bill

The following shall be added to Article 4 of the Official Senate Procedural Resolution:

Section 5: Rules on Motions to Table
1.   Any Senator can, during a period of debate, introduce a motion to table the legislation.
2.   The PPT shall open a vote on the motion to table. This vote shall last for a maximum of five (5) days during which time the Senators must vote. Voting may be declared final at any time if the motion to table has been approved or rejected.
3.   For the motion to table to pass, two thirds of the Senate must vote for the motion.
4.   Tabled legislation shall be taken off the Senate floor and moved to the back of a separate queue for tabled legislation.

While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I thought it's worth bringing up, since this'll reach the floor soon.

I basically just lessened the number of days allowed for voting as I see tabling as a procedure that helps kill bills that have no chance anyways and changing it to two days makes the process simply go faster.

That makes sense, but what about your other change? The point of tabling is to have it reach the Senate at some later date. If you want to kill it, get a vote for cloture.

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That makes sense, but what about your other change? The point of tabling is to have it reach the Senate at some later date. If you want to kill it, get a vote for cloture.

As used in Atlasia, the point of tabling a bill is generally to kill it.

But that's not the correct use of tabling.

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That makes sense, but what about your other change? The point of tabling is to have it reach the Senate at some later date. If you want to kill it, get a vote for cloture.

As used in Atlasia, the point of tabling a bill is generally to kill it.

But that's not the correct use of tabling.

Take it up with real governing bodies, which do the same thing.

Well, this can be discussed when the bill's on the floor.

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Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.
United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.
Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.
Somebody introduce these and we can get the Senate up and running again. I'll have more soon.

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Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.

I was just going to suggest this myself. 

Great minds think alike?

Well, Meeker's on right now. Get to it, Senator!

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I'm not so sure about the budget one yet... if we reinstitute the GM, couldn't we potentially solve the problem of not having a basis for the budget? Or were there bigger reasons why the budget turned out to be such a disaster? (It was before my time, so I'm not well versed on it)

Stuff like constradictory wording making it unworkable. Just introduce the three of them so that we can discuss them in the Senate.

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Amendment to End the Budget Requirement

   1. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.
United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.
Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.
Somebody introduce these and we can get the Senate up and running again. I'll have more soon.

Somebody introduce these 3!

Another amendment is in the process of taking shape in my head.

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United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.
Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.
These two are still waiting.

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What does PPAM and Penrose mean?  I understand one person, one vote, which is quite insane (India and China would own the place). Something that comported more to economic power might make some sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Parliament#Apportionment_of_votes

Penrose is still based on population alone (though a bit differently), but PPAM also takes economics into account.

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Please introduce:

United Nations Reform Act

Section 1: Findings
   1. The current structure of the United Nations is unfair and gives excessive power to the major Allies of World War II and to very small states.
   2. Reform of the system in use by the United Nations is necessary for it to fulfill its envisioned role.

Section 2: Requirements for a Fair United Nations
   1. The United Nations Security Council and General Assembly shall be abolished.
   2. A Parliamentary Assembly, either elected or appointed, shall replace the Security Council and General Assembly.
   3. Seats in the Parliamentary Assembly shall be apportioned by one of the following methods: Schwarzenberg's weighted voting, Provisional People's Assembly Method, one person, one vote, or the Penrose method.
   4. No nation shall have veto power over any decision reached by the Parliamentary Assembly.
   5. The Secretary-General shall be chosen by a vote of the Parliamentary Assembly.

Section 3: Implementation
   1. Atlasia shall not give any funds to the United Nations.
   2. The Atlasian representative must use his power of veto to block all UN business.
   3. Clauses 1 and 2 of this section shall be rendered null and void upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is within the letter and spirit of this law.
   4. After the process described in Clause 3 of this section renders Clauses 1 and 2 of this section null and void, they may be reinstated upon the issuance of an Executive Order countersigned by the Secretary of External affairs certifying that the organization of the United Nations is no longer within the letter and spirit of this law.
Gasoline Consumer Protection Act

   1. All prices for gasoline displayed at gas stations must be rounded up to the nearest cent.
   2. If a station is found noncompliant, the company operating the station shall be fined 10% of the earnings at that station during the period of noncompliance.
These two are still waiting.

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My bill was just an idea to debate. I wouldn't mind if it fails, as long as it reaches the floor.

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Amendment to the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act

The following text is added to Section 3 of the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act:

5. Secession, defined as a territory or group of people declaring independence from the Atlasia.


The relevant section and act can be found here.

I've introduced this because, while I believe that secession can be prosecuted as treason under the current laws, the overall statue on these actions is vague and circumstantial. Clearing up these grey areas would probably help if Atlasia is faced with a situation like this again.

Colin, could you put this in Slot 7?

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It might be worthwhile to add "or threatening" after "declaring".

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It might be worthwhile to add "or threatening" after "declaring".

That would be funny, the amount of people to prosecute might skyrocket.  I sure hope Andy Jackson and Hashemite are the first people prosecuted

Hashemite can't, since ex post facto laws are illegal. And Andy Jackson should be prosecuted. It is wrong to fight secession with secession.

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Somebody propose this:

Actual Amendment to the National Energy Act

Clauses 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 of the National Energy Act (F.L. 3-3) are hereby repealed.
That legislation is a nightmare. TexasGurl was very right.

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Somebody propose this:

Actual Amendment to the National Energy Act

Clauses 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 of the National Energy Act (F.L. 3-3) are hereby repealed.
That legislation is a nightmare. TexasGurl was very right.

     Hey, if you're elected Senator, then you can propose it.

It'd be nice if it was done quicker than that.

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Somebody propose this:

Actual Amendment to the National Energy Act

Clauses 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 of the National Energy Act (F.L. 3-3) are hereby repealed.
That legislation is a nightmare. TexasGurl was very right.

     Hey, if you're elected Senator, then you can propose it.

It'd be nice if it was done quicker than that.

Somebody? That legislation was horrible.

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Somebody propose this:

Actual Amendment to the National Energy Act

Clauses 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 of the National Energy Act (F.L. 3-3) are hereby repealed.
That legislation is a nightmare. TexasGurl was very right.

I see the problems with Clause 2, and have no idea about the point of Clause 3, but what`s wrong with the others?

4 is counterproductive (SUVs are nothing like sedans in terms of fuel consumption), and 8 and 9 are very vague.

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SUVs are nothing like sedans in terms of fuel consumption.

Well, that's the point.

Huh? I'm confused.