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« Reply #375 on: September 10, 2015, 06:05:36 pm »

Not even in the faroes laws are passed overnight

No one said they were. Irrelevant comment.

The point is 2 to 2 1/2 months should be enough and there is a symbolic gesture in giving the gay community a Christmas present, so they may try to do that. Or go for the standard January 1.
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« Reply #376 on: September 10, 2015, 06:59:45 pm »

Looking at the internal votes in PP we can see that Annika Olsens two allies Rodmundur Nielsen and Progress defector Janus Rein were far from making the cut, while she lost more than the party at large (about half the party loss was the decline in her personal votes). While Niclasen was the big winner. Unlike last time when she got more than 3 times as many votes as Niclasen he was "only" 262 votes behind this time and a clear #3 (while 4th in 2011). So a very clear Liberal defeat.

1.   Jacob Vestergaard 966 (-82)
2.   Annika Olsen   961 (-383)
3.   Jørgen Niclasen   699 (+317)
4.   Jákup Mikkelsen   380 (-75)
5.   Elsebeth Mercedis Gunnleygsdóttir 371
6.   Jógvan á Lakjuni   365
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8.   Janus Rein   273 (other party)
10. Rodmundur Nielsen 197 (-81)

Total 6 102 (-781)

She still got nearly a sixth of PPs votes and 3% of the national vote of 32,374, so she took her seat on personal votes, and even if the party label played a role voters knew she was in opposition to the leadership and might defect if she lost the power struggle, so I think it was a justifiable move from a democratic POV given Faroese political culture.
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« Reply #377 on: September 12, 2015, 05:19:49 am »

UP will select their new chairman on a party conference on October 24 with local chapter representatives, the executive board and MPs voting on it. So far only Bardur Nielsen is running.

Only news from the coalition talks is that the Ministry of the Interior (which was scrapped in 2013 after Kari Høygaaard from HR left the government), will be reestablished.
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« Reply #378 on: September 13, 2015, 05:01:57 pm »

Got the tale of how Annika Olsen failed to become the chairman of PP from a Faroese acquaintance residing in her home town Vagur on Suduroy. It is quite illustrative of Faroese politics (or at least certain aspects of it).

PP elects chairman by their national board and the chairman of their local chapters together proposing one candidate to the party conference, which then "elects" that person. Very archaic. Of course this de facto amounts to an election of sorts anyway. It looked like Annika Olsen had a one seat majority among the electors, but then a couple of members of the PP board on her home island Suduroy called a board meeting - without telling their chairman - who was Annika Olsen's dad Jakup Olsen - about it, and elected a new chairman, who supported Jørgen Niclasen. After which Annika Olsen was one seat short of a majority in the electoral body and the incumbent Niclasen got reappointed. Jakup Olsen then left PP. So no wonder there is no love lost between her an the Niclasen wing.

Jakup Olsen's way to PP is also somewhat interesting. Vagur is a leftist sort of place (this being Suduroy), but also quite SoCon (this being Suduroy). At the last municipal election Republic got 41.5% and SD 32.7%, most of the rest went to a local list dominated by various Conservatives. Only 9% UP. Unionism basically makes you an SD by default in this part of the Faroes.

As a young teacher returning to his home settlement from Denmark Jakup Olsen joined Republic. Getting increasingly frustrated with the incompetence of his local branch and having advanced to principal of the local school he looked for a new party and since the Unionists in SD and UP were no option and PP a bridge too far he ended up in the Christian Peoples Party! - the most SoCon party ever to be founded in the Faroes, but also with a focus on health care, education and local communities. Olsen then got elected to the Løgting for them 1994-98, a time when the party basically collapsed and the 1992 founded Centre ate up most of their support. Olsen continued in his local municipal council for another three years for that Conservative dominated local list. Having invested in a couple of trawlers for borrowed money in the mid 90s and increasingly becoming quite well-off he then jumped to PP in the mid 00s and became head of the local board.

Apparently Olsen was never particularly religious The only ideological consistency in this is staying on the separatist side of that cleavage (and moving to the right as he got wealthier).

His wife Marna is still in Republic, the sister of former Republic Minister of Culture and Social Affairs Óli Holm and the aunt of their current Mayor, social scientist and director of their Social Science Research Institute Dennis Holm, also from Republic). And they get all along fine.

Apparently Olsen was never religious, but just a few years back most of the culture war stuff didn't exist in the Faroes. No one thought about gay marriage, free porn, legal prostitution etc. and it was just accepted that abortion was technically illegal, but if you knew the right doctor it really wasn't. The ban on free sale of alcohol was a minor nuisance, but people were member of their local beer club, and if you wanted to get pissed in the company of others, you knew were to go, and if you were looking for a pub brawl, there were a club for that sort of thing too.

The introduction of the gay marriage think really changed things and the former Christian Peoples Party guy and his daughter ended up on the SoLib side of the culture war - and got couped by the SoCons.
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« Reply #379 on: September 14, 2015, 08:02:04 am »

The coalition agreement will be signed at 4PM local time (in one hour) at a public ceremony, so we should know the portfolio distribution and the main points in the agreement by then.

The new Løgting meets tomorrow to approve the election result and the new government + elect a new Speaker.

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« Reply #380 on: September 14, 2015, 11:09:24 am »

Gay marriage not directly - just equal opportunities for all citizens and "vote your conscience" on ethical matters + they want family and inheritance law under Faroese control, which may be an indiction they will do it. Still, disappointing.

Main goals:

- Market based fishing reform implemented from 1/1 2018
- Lower taxes for low- and medium incomes
- Freezing the Danish state grant (= not regulating it for inflation), taking home immigration, air space and family & inheritance law. A Faroese Constitution to be voted on in a referendum in 2017 at the latest. Enhanced Foreign Service (they got 8 diplomatic missions currently - even if foreign policy is a realm matter, so trying to push the limit further.
- Trying to combat population loss and gender imbalance by a comprehensive youth policy, better educational opportunties at home and better conditions for families with children. No immigration policy.
- Improving long term economic sustainability by better conditions for entrepreneurs and evening out economic cycles (Keynesian fiscal policy).
- Improved healthcare (did not look for details).
- New comprehensive pension system + eliminating injustices in taxation of pensions.
- Making the Faroes 100% energy self sufficient with renewable energy (mainly hydro- , but some wind energy - should be doable with their terrain and weather - they are not exactly short of wild rivers and wind pup there Wink )

Except gay marriage pretty much as expected - keeping on pushing the constitutional limits on separatism, but avoiding an actual  roadmap to independence. Seems like a decent compromise.
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« Reply #381 on: September 14, 2015, 12:11:43 pm »

"Solidarity, Self-Reliance and Freedom" is the title of the agreement btw. Big Left/Right/Nationalist compromise there Wink

The distribution of portfolios is 4:3:1. Names to be announced tomorrow.

SD: PM, Social Services, Culture and Interior Affairs.
Republic:Finance, Fishing and Health (a power combo in a Faroese context) + the Speaker
Progress: Business + Foreign Affairs as one department. So Michelsen gets Foreign Affairs.

Will be interesting to see who in Republic gets Deputy PM with that distribution - still probably Hoydal.
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« Reply #382 on: September 14, 2015, 01:06:11 pm »

Well, if Poul Michelsen demands fishing to sort out the quota system Eyðgunn Samuelsen could get Business and it would be 4-4.

On second thought I think Sirið Stenberg will get health. She is #2 on their list and that really matters up there (if you have experience). Samuelsen was #3 on the SD list and I think will try hard to find a spot for her.

Sonja J. is too unexperienced in politics to get into the government.


Revised guess:

SD:
PM Aksel V. Johannesen
Business Eyðgunn Samuelsen
Culture Rigmor Dam

Republic:
Deputy PM/Foreign Affairs Høgni Hoydal
Finance Kristina Háfoss
Health and Social Services Sirið Stenberg

Progress:
Fishing Poul Michelsen

Home Rule:
Interior Kari Højgaard

Guess I should revise my prognosis now that I know the portfolios and that HR is out:

SD:

PM: Aksel Johannesen
Culture: Still Rigmor Dam
Interior: Eyðgunn Samuelsen (the all-round workhorse for the "Ministry of Everything")
Social Affairs: One of the 3 Suduroy MPs - Michelsen is a Mayor, so probably Hammer or Old (to pacify him if they go ahead with gay marriage - otherwise Hammer). Leaving Suduroy without a post would be too dangerous internally + Heðin Mortensen is the Mayor of Torshavn. Not seeing him give that up for a small and "soft" ministry.

Republic:
Finance: Still Kristina Hafoss (anything else would be a sensation)
Health: Still Sirið Stenberg
Fishing and Deputy PM: A powerhouse. Gotta be Høgni Hoydal, even if its an odd choice.

Progress:
Business and Foreign Affairs: Poul Michelsen (Business was my first guess for him, but thought it was too lightweight for a party leader and changed it to Fishing - combined with foreign trade it gets on par with fishing.

Speaker: Annita á Fríðriksmørk (I think they will choose a woman - so Stenberg if she doesn't get a Ministry (if Kallsberg gets Health)

Would give a 4/4 gender balance (quite a feat with 3 male party leaders) + a female Speaker.
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« Reply #383 on: September 14, 2015, 05:05:01 pm »

After Home Rule withdrew from the negotiations Aksel Johannesen said that gay marriage would not be part of the coalition agreement (which all MPs have to support), as HR had alleged, but to be decided by a vote where MPs can "vote their conscience", so it is no surprise that it is not included (I had forgotten that detail).

There might also be an extra pro-gay marriage vote as the town council in Klaksvik declined Skorheim the right to be Mayor and MP simultaneously and he chose to stay on as Mayor. His substitute Bárður Kass Nielsen is expected to be pro gay marriage - but no public statement from him.
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« Reply #384 on: September 15, 2015, 05:25:00 am »

The new government presented:

SD:
PM: Aksel Johannesen
Culture: Rigmor Dam
Interior: Henrik Old
Social Affairs: Eyðgunn Samuelsen

Republic:
Finance: Kristina Hafoss
Health: Sirið Stenberg
Fishing and Deputy PM: Høgni Hoydal

Progress:
Business and Foreign Affairs: Poul Michelsen

I got most of them right. The only miss was that Samuelson only got Social Affairs, while a Suduroy MP got the Interior. Henrik Old got the "Suduroy-seat" in the cabinet, which may indicate that SDs resident SoCon has been paid to accept a vote on gay marriage. Old would not otherwise have been an obvious choice.

A 50/50 gender distribution for the first time ever.  

The Speaker became former professional soccer play Páll á Reynatúgvu (R), so I got that one wrong as well.
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« Reply #385 on: September 15, 2015, 06:00:15 am »

The government will apply for Faroese EFTA membership, which they have tried once before only to be turned down because they are not a sovereign state, but they are closer to being one now and perhaps the others will accept them this time. Iceland will back them (like last time).
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« Reply #386 on: September 15, 2015, 06:50:11 am »

Sonja Jógvansdóttir has submitted a bill giving same sex couples equal marital rights as a private member bill. It will be one of the first things on the new Løgting's agenda.

Smart way to do it. She is not in the government, so it's not officially government backed, which gives Old a fig leaf so he can keep supporting the government while voting against gay marriage on ethical grounds. Annika Olsen, a couple of liberal UPs + maybe Bardur Kass Nielsen will vote for it, so there should be a solid majority.

Old has clearly been bought. Wonder if his SoCon Suduroy voters will accept this set-up.
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« Reply #387 on: September 15, 2015, 09:49:43 pm »

Sonja Jógvansdóttir has left the SD group because she doesn't want to be part of a group that blocked gay marriage from being part of the coalition agreement (as Progress wanted and Republic supported), she still supports the coalition "to keep Faroese politics to the left" and deplore that "the few that shout the loudest" gets to set the agenda and dominate the majority on this issue. So Old wasn't briebed. He (and likely Hammer, otherwise this doesn't make sense - Hammer was always the joker) blocked it from becoming part of the coalition agreement. Still, the agreement says MPs from the government  parties will get to vote their conscience on ethical matters, so her members bill might pass - unless some SDs abstain to keep the peace in the party. Might get close now. The 8 ministers are replaced by their subs, and while this is irrelevant in Republic and Progress it makes it impossible to predict the breakdown of SDs.

Technically it is a minority government now, which is highly unusual for the Faroes, but legally fine, of course.
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« Reply #388 on: September 16, 2015, 05:52:22 am »

Aksel Johannesen has said that SD during the election campaign stated that MPs could vote their conscience on ethical matters like gay marriage and that it was never meant to be in the government agreement as that would bind all government MPs to vote for it.

Both Progress and Republic wanted it included and it is clear that Johannessen blocked it (even if none admits it), which is no surprise, but apparently too much of a provocation for Jogvansdottir.


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« Reply #389 on: September 16, 2015, 09:31:38 am »

Trouble in SD. Several members of their youth wing Socialist Youth has left them over the gay marriage debacle. Including SY chairman Oda Kjartansdóttir Strøm.

It turn out Sonja Jogvansdottir was actually offered a place in the government - as Minister of the Interior, but she wanted Social Affairs, where she could work with the equality and poverty related issues she is passionate about, not being bogged down in troubles with ferry lines, municipal reform and green energy conversion etc.

All in all it seems she has made her position worse - since Old got into the cabinet on her expense. Apparently Samuelson wanted the more ideologically profiled Social Affairs and pulled rank, but Johannessen was reportedly actually willing to go for a non-Suduroy distribution with both Jogvansdottir and Samuelson in it (making it a 5-3 female majority). Guess Sonja J. is more of an activist than a politician - she definitely played that wrong.

Anyway, Faroese media expect a majority for gay marriage (but then the internal SoCon backlash will starts..).

They may have realign their party system over this. It is based on two cross cutting cleavages (separatism/economics), but now you got the SoCon/SoLib messing up the old pattern. Maybe Progress won't be the last new party we see. Still, it all depends what happens after gay marriage. Whether legalizing it will open the debate on abortion, alcohol sale, gambling, prostitution and porn (yeah, its still illegal on the Faroes - outside of the internet Wink ) + the role of the church in education. Faroese parties are not designed to handle this (except Centre and Progress). Republic has very few SoCons left and will probably just leave without much ado, but the others could be torn apart.

If there is a compromise of sorts on separatism (maybe free association) - and it looks like it is heading that way - then the old system will increasingly be outdated.
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« Reply #390 on: September 17, 2015, 06:33:59 am »

To no ones surprise Annika Olsen has joined Progress, so they now have a majority government again after 1 day with the first minority government in Faroese history.

Her immediate reward will be the chairmanship in the Fiscal Committee. The government, Sonja J. and Home Rule have formed an electoral alliance in the committee elections, so they have 20 out of 33 seats and can dominate the committee selection later today. Her long term reward will likely be to succeed Poul Michelsen as party leader in a couple of years.
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« Reply #391 on: September 17, 2015, 05:48:09 pm »

Faroese newspaper Sosialurin has asked the MPs about gay marriage and despite a few surprises it looks like a certain Yes. Annika Olsen refused to declare in the poll, but since she has later joined Progress, that doesn't accept "conscience votes" on gay rights, she is counted as a yes. Magni Arge from Republic will go on leave before the vote, since he has chosen to keep his seat in the Folketing, but his sub is bound to be pro, there are hardly any SoCons left in Republic these days. Since Henrik Old is in the government and his sub is pro, that is a one seat gain.


For (16-14 declared + 2 bound to be)

Republic 7
Progress 3
SD 4
Jogvansdottir
UP 1


Wont say:

SD 3 (incl. 2 Suduroy MPs + surprisingly, the Mayor of Torshavn Hedin Mortensen)
UP 3 (KLJ - who has previusly said he is pro, Deputy Chairman Bardur Nielsen and former chairman Edmund Joensen, who is ka settlement politician and known as a SoCon settlement politician). It seems Nielsen tries to avoid declaring to not spoil his chances in the leadership election, KLJ won't declare as chairman in a divided party and Joensen.. Who knows, maybe he just feels its an inappropriate question to a 70+ former PM.


No (11):

PP 5
Centre 2
Home Rule 2 (Skorheims replacement is also a SoCon)
UP 2

So to lose you would need both a former PM; who has previously said he supports it and has already decided to step down as chairman + the Mayor of the capital with the 5000+ gay pride parade to vote No, as well as all undecided voting No. Most likely at least Bardur Nielsen will abstain. Hedin Mortensen also likely to do so if he doesn't vote yes.

While there aren't 17 MPs who have said they will vote for it, I fail to see how the opponents can get 17 No votes to vote down the 16 pro-gay marriage votes or the 16 for a tie.
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« Reply #392 on: September 18, 2015, 08:47:09 am »

Turns out Sonja J. did not actually file a gay marriage proposal at the Løgting office, as she said she would. She is trying to get a broad coalition of MPs to be co-sponsors of the proposal, which would make it harder for the centre-right to see it as a "leftist" or "government" bill. So far economic historian Magni Laxafoss from UP is the only opposition politician, that has declared open support for the proposal. I think it would be fitting if KLJ co-sponsored it, it would partially make up for him demanding UP bloc voting against gay marriage in 2014 to suck up to his SoCon coalition partners.
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« Reply #393 on: September 20, 2015, 09:26:55 am »

I have two questions:

When would tey be expected to discusss such bill now?

If the transfer of family law to the home rule is part of the agreement, would someone argue to havethe whole matter transferred before same sex marriageis introduced?
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« Reply #394 on: September 20, 2015, 09:52:01 am »

I have two questions:

When would they be expected to discusss such bill now?

If the transfer of family law to the home rule is part of the agreement, would someone argue to have the whole matter transferred before same sex marriage is introduced?

To the second question: I am sure someone will, but it will be a non-starter, since Jogvansdottir can just present the bill herself and 16 MPs have publicly committed to support it (all either from unionist parties or pro-gay rights Progress and Republic). The parties this would matter to: PP and Home Rule, have no pro-gay marriage MPs anyway.

Jogvansdottir has been advised to try to secure UP co-sponsors by former PM Joannes Eidesgaard (an SD left winger like herself) among others to make absolutely sure it pass - even if someone gets cold feet (however unlikely that is). They are likely courting KLJ and possibly Bardur Nielsen (who has never declared his position publicly). Of the undeclared KLJ and Kristin Michelsen have previously declared support. Getting at least one of the two elderly Mayors (Mortensen and Michelsen) on board is likely also a priority. It is also a matter of securing it isn't reversed by a new government. If a big part of UP backs the bill it will be impossible to reverse (it is 1-3-2 at present). Securing a united SD (not unthinkable since Old is kicked upwards to the Cabinet) is likely also an ambition. You got three undeclared: Two old guys (one who has previously shown support and the other the Mayor of liberal Torshavn) and a 47 year old teachers union deputy chairman from little Sandoy. All personally Christian, but none of them likely to be rapid homophobes. A 7-0 SD vote would be a big advantage.

So it might take a while. Since the priority has changed from getting it done ASAP to securing it can't be undone.
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« Reply #395 on: September 20, 2015, 10:25:35 am »

I understand.

I already noted in some earlier post that securing thata new government will not repeal it is important, so it is wise they take their time. In myopinion, a 17 -16 is too weak for this.

Of course the transfer of family law can be used as an argument to justify before the electorate that this matter will take some time.
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« Reply #396 on: September 20, 2015, 10:27:32 am »

And i agree withwhat you say: Sonja may be passionate activist, which is great for activism, but politics is something difficult and manythings have to be taken into account, both political and legal.
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« Reply #397 on: September 20, 2015, 10:50:43 am »

Of course the transfer of family law can be used as an argument to justify before the electorate that this matter will take some time.

I expect them to submit a proposal within a week or two, which will be far sooner than they start taking home family law. She is just trying to get the right co-sponsors of the bill.
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« Reply #398 on: September 20, 2015, 11:05:37 am »

On the topic of Joannes Eidesgaard (64) he also played a part in persuading the SD young wing, Socialist Youth, into declaring unconditional loyalty to the mother party after chairman Oda Strøm and treasurer Barbara Gaardlykke Apol left in support of Jogvansdottir and also used his influence among unions.

It seemed Eidesgaard for a while feared a big part of the left wing would split and form a new party possibly allowing the rest of SD to drift towards the center and go Third Way-ish and "continental" (not considered a good thing among Faroese leftists). Though that may be an overinterpretation at least he was quite busy doing some damage control.
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« Reply #399 on: September 20, 2015, 11:30:03 am »

Only one-two weeks? I would not consider it a while for having same sex marriage.

But of course, and as a private bill, since it is submitted in the office until it is debated it may take some weeks more.

And UP MPS may not want to decide on relevant issues until they clarify their leadership in the end of october

All this is of course  speculation, Sonja may take the previous bill with the same text and simplysubmit it. But i think it willbe relevant for her to have at least a good number of membrrs 3 of the big 4 parties on board.

This issue seems causing problems to Sd though
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