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« Reply #525 on: October 26, 2014, 11:12:45 pm »
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I still can't imagine a religion where you're told you can do whatever you want as long as you accept Jesus as Lord. I know you say it isn't a license to sin, but that's exactly what you use it as and use God as a crutch whenever you commit a sin.

I've never been taught that it's ok to do whatever you want because hey, its not your fault, God is just not finished working on you yet! It seems like a perversion of Christianity that so many people buy into these days.
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« Reply #526 on: October 26, 2014, 11:14:04 pm »
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You alright, Bushie?  You're going heavier on the Bible stuff than usual the past few days. 

I'm fine.  I just feel the need to defend my faith.

I agree.  Religiouses are the ones that need to be defending their wacky beliefs, not atheists on why we don't have them.  I'm glad you are so sensible on this issue, Jeff.
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« Reply #527 on: October 26, 2014, 11:16:25 pm »
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I still can't imagine a religion where you're told you can do whatever you want as long as you accept Jesus as Lord. I know you say it isn't a license to sin, but that's exactly what you use it as and use God as a crutch whenever you commit a sin.

I've never been taught that it's ok to do whatever you want because hey, its not your fault, God is just not finished working on you yet! It seems like a perversion of Christianity that so many people buy into these days.

It's just literalism.  He takes it how it says.  The Bible gives all these guidelines, but it's all about accepting Jesus at the end of the day.  Jeff may try to follow some of those guidelines, and may fail horribly.  Hell, he might not not follow the suggestions at all.  It's all about that water on the head and the "I accept you, Jesus"!  That's all you need. 
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« Reply #528 on: October 26, 2014, 11:39:14 pm »
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This is the problem of Bushie's entire life... 'God's grace' why have a sense of personal responsibility when either Ma or Pa Bushie will save him and once he asks for God's forgiveness... the slate is clean. Sounds like a good deal for the emotionally juvenile.
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« Reply #529 on: October 26, 2014, 11:43:41 pm »
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This is the problem of Bushie's entire life... 'God's grace' why have a sense of personal responsibility when either Ma or Pa Bushie will save him and once he asks for God's forgiveness... the slate is clean. Sounds like a good deal for the emotionally juvenile.

Yea... Christianity does kinda "make ya an offa ya can't refuse".
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« Reply #530 on: October 26, 2014, 11:50:34 pm »
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What does it any of it matter anyway?  The world is going to end before he turns 40, when he gets handed a brand new perfect body and anything he could ever want.  (Undeniable fact.)  He certainly deserves such a fantastic reward for everything he has accomplished in life!
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« Reply #531 on: October 26, 2014, 11:58:07 pm »
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Bushie's "interpretation" of sola gratia theology is quite warped and a flagrant abuse of it, though granted not an uncommon one, but one you would never hear straight up defended by even the most conservative evangelical theologian. Besides think of the double standards that would open, think about LGBT Christians for starters. Even if homosexuality is a sin, if Bushie's interpretation of sola gratia is correct they'd be fine and are going to Heaven anyway, but that's obviously not what most people who adhere to it to believe. But most such people probably wouldn't see Bushie as much better off than LGBT people if they know the whole story.
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« Reply #532 on: October 26, 2014, 11:59:37 pm »
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What does it any of it matter anyway?  The world is going to end before he turns 40, when he gets handed a brand new perfect body and anything he could ever want.  (Undeniable fact.)  He certainly deserves such a fantastic reward!

I remember on an episode of Real Time With Bill Maher he was busting out some PPP poll numbers he actually commissioned for the show, and found that an absurdly high number of Americans thought the Rapture would be in their lifetime.  I always thought it was so kooky because I had met not one person who says that.  Low and behold, we have one right here in our Forum.  Worse is that it's such an unbelievably selfish and, yes, prideful thing to say, because it has everything to do with that fact that you feel you are so, so special that the end of days will literally be happening for you.  
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« Reply #533 on: October 27, 2014, 12:01:04 am »
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What does it any of it matter anyway?  The world is going to end before he turns 40, when he gets handed a brand new perfect body and anything he could ever want.  (Undeniable fact.)  He certainly deserves such a fantastic reward!

I remember on an episode of Real Time With Bill Maher he was busting out some PPP poll numbers he actually commissioned for the show, and found that an absurdly high number of Americans thought the Rapture would be in their lifetime.  I always thought it was so kooky because I had met not one person who says that.  Low and behold, we have one right here in our Forum.  Worse is that it's such an unbelievably selfish and, yes, prideful thing to say, because it has everything to do with that fact that you feel you are so, so special that the end of days will literally be happening for you.  

The worst thing about it is that trying to predict the Armageddon is in complete contradiction with the Bible.
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« Reply #534 on: October 27, 2014, 12:28:54 am »
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I would just like to announce Jesus is my lord and savior and I am saved.

I will not attend any church services, act in any biblical way, or do anything else about it for the rest of my life, but let it be known for the record when I perish, I stamped my ticket to heaven at 2328 MT on October 26, 2014.

I encourage you all to do the same.
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« Reply #535 on: October 27, 2014, 12:34:20 am »
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Matthew 7:19-23

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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« Reply #536 on: October 27, 2014, 03:03:45 am »
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See, here is the problem. You say you know your flaws and want to work on them, etc. But then you characterize as insults and attacks people pointing these things out. Your life is getting worse, not better because you continue to act the same way. A lot of people here derive entertainment from your failures so they continue to encourage it. Others are saintly enough to actually try and give you constructive advice on how to improve. This latter group tends to be the most critical of you, which should tell you something.

Whether your job pays well is irrelevant, firstly because you'll soon lose it like you lose every other job. That's not due to bad luck it's because of who you are and you clearly won't change. Secondly, your lifestyle is so irresponsible I doubt any income could sustain you.

Lastly, your blasphemous abuse of God's name is a shame on Christianity. You use it for selfish and manipulative purposes and as an excuse to continue your behaviour. It's frankly offensive to real Christians and would probably be sufficient for sending you to hell even without all your other countless sins.

To be honest, I am actually excited where my life is right now.  Sure, its not where I had hoped it would be, but I can see good things in the very near future.

Why don't you give me a chance to prove myself on this job instead of already writing me off before I even begin?  Sound like a good idea?

Thank goodness for grace.  God's grace is all I need to cover EVERY sin I commit past, present, and future.  It is by God's grace that I will enter heaven.  I know for an absolute certainty that my home and my destination is heaven.  I do not have to worry about being separated from God for eternity in hell.  There's nothing, absolutely nothing, that can change that, because I can never lose my salvation no matter what I do.  The same goes for anyone who accepts Christ as their personal Savior and Lord.  The Baptist phrase "once saved, always saved" is guaranteed fact.  You can take it to the bank.

I'm not in a position to give you chances. I don't affect your life one way or the other. Given that you've failed every past job and refuse to change I can predict the same thing will happen now, but my opinion makes no difference to the outcome.

And you're not getting God's grace. You're following false prophets and you know how that ends!
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« Reply #537 on: October 27, 2014, 06:47:11 am »
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See, here is the problem. You say you know your flaws and want to work on them, etc. But then you characterize as insults and attacks people pointing these things out. Your life is getting worse, not better because you continue to act the same way. A lot of people here derive entertainment from your failures so they continue to encourage it. Others are saintly enough to actually try and give you constructive advice on how to improve. This latter group tends to be the most critical of you, which should tell you something.

Whether your job pays well is irrelevant, firstly because you'll soon lose it like you lose every other job. That's not due to bad luck it's because of who you are and you clearly won't change. Secondly, your lifestyle is so irresponsible I doubt any income could sustain you.

Lastly, your blasphemous abuse of God's name is a shame on Christianity. You use it for selfish and manipulative purposes and as an excuse to continue your behaviour. It's frankly offensive to real Christians and would probably be sufficient for sending you to hell even without all your other countless sins.

To be honest, I am actually excited where my life is right now.  Sure, its not where I had hoped it would be, but I can see good things in the very near future.

Why don't you give me a chance to prove myself on this job instead of already writing me off before I even begin?  Sound like a good idea?

Thank goodness for grace.  God's grace is all I need to cover EVERY sin I commit past, present, and future.  It is by God's grace that I will enter heaven.  I know for an absolute certainty that my home and my destination is heaven.  I do not have to worry about being separated from God for eternity in hell.  There's nothing, absolutely nothing, that can change that, because I can never lose my salvation no matter what I do.  The same goes for anyone who accepts Christ as their personal Savior and Lord.  The Baptist phrase "once saved, always saved" is guaranteed fact.  You can take it to the bank.

I'm not in a position to give you chances. I don't affect your life one way or the other. Given that you've failed every past job and refuse to change I can predict the same thing will happen now, but my opinion makes no difference to the outcome.

And you're not getting God's grace. You're following false prophets and you know how that ends!

How about we let God decide that?
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« Reply #538 on: October 27, 2014, 07:14:48 am »
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See, here is the problem. You say you know your flaws and want to work on them, etc. But then you characterize as insults and attacks people pointing these things out. Your life is getting worse, not better because you continue to act the same way. A lot of people here derive entertainment from your failures so they continue to encourage it. Others are saintly enough to actually try and give you constructive advice on how to improve. This latter group tends to be the most critical of you, which should tell you something.

Whether your job pays well is irrelevant, firstly because you'll soon lose it like you lose every other job. That's not due to bad luck it's because of who you are and you clearly won't change. Secondly, your lifestyle is so irresponsible I doubt any income could sustain you.

Lastly, your blasphemous abuse of God's name is a shame on Christianity. You use it for selfish and manipulative purposes and as an excuse to continue your behaviour. It's frankly offensive to real Christians and would probably be sufficient for sending you to hell even without all your other countless sins.

To be honest, I am actually excited where my life is right now.  Sure, its not where I had hoped it would be, but I can see good things in the very near future.

Why don't you give me a chance to prove myself on this job instead of already writing me off before I even begin?  Sound like a good idea?

Thank goodness for grace.  God's grace is all I need to cover EVERY sin I commit past, present, and future.  It is by God's grace that I will enter heaven.  I know for an absolute certainty that my home and my destination is heaven.  I do not have to worry about being separated from God for eternity in hell.  There's nothing, absolutely nothing, that can change that, because I can never lose my salvation no matter what I do.  The same goes for anyone who accepts Christ as their personal Savior and Lord.  The Baptist phrase "once saved, always saved" is guaranteed fact.  You can take it to the bank.

I'm not in a position to give you chances. I don't affect your life one way or the other. Given that you've failed every past job and refuse to change I can predict the same thing will happen now, but my opinion makes no difference to the outcome.

And you're not getting God's grace. You're following false prophets and you know how that ends!

How about we let God decide that?

You should take your own advice.
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« Reply #539 on: October 27, 2014, 08:37:11 am »
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Bushie, do you have a clear idea of what the Rapture is going to be like?  I remember in Bill Maher's movie some lady said that she will literally be riding to heaven on a white horse.  I mean... to even know the color of the horse...
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« Reply #540 on: October 27, 2014, 08:43:19 am »
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The Rapture is also pretty weakly Biblically based and wasn't believed by anyone until the 17th century.
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« Reply #541 on: October 27, 2014, 08:48:52 am »
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Bushie, do you have a clear idea of what the Rapture is going to be like?  I remember in Bill Maher's movie some lady said that she will literally be riding to heaven on a white horse.  I mean... to even know the color of the horse...

I don't know exactly, but I believe it will occur at the Battle of Armageddon when the world's army has pushed the Israeli army to the brink of elimination.  Jesus, who is Israel's Savior, will come down at the last moment riding in on a white horse and every Christian around the world will ascend into the air toward Jesus and the White Horse, receive their transformed bodies, and fight with Jesus and defeat the world's army and rescue Israel.  The Christians will then go into heaven without having tasted death, and the world will be ushered into the 1,000 year reign of Jesus when Satan is bound and put in prison for 1,000 years and all the world governments will be overthrown and the entire world will be ruled by Jesus and His church, the ones He raptured.  During that 1,000 years there will be not one war and there really will be peace on earth, good will toward men.  At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan will be loosed to wreak havoc for a season and then be permanently cast into the lake of fire.

I realize it seems like a fairy tale and I may be wrong on some aspects of this, but this is how I envision it to take place.  I'm not going to be silly and claim I'm right and everybody else is wrong, because the only one to know exactly how it will happen is God Himself.
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« Reply #542 on: October 27, 2014, 08:59:54 am »
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With the Israelis cornered in a weird ground war for some reason against the entire world, Israel's Saviorô Jesus will come down at the last moment before their destruction to save a bunch Bible Belters in the USA, but leaving the Jews to perish.

All in the next 7-10 years or your money back!
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« Reply #543 on: October 27, 2014, 09:02:39 am »
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Even jmfcst's understanding of Armageddon wasn't that crazy, he didn't believe that Israel would fight a war against the entire world for basically no reason for example.
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With the Israelis cornered in a weird ground war for some reason against the entire world, Israel's Saviorô Jesus will come down at the last moment before their destruction to save a bunch Bible Belters in the USA, but leaving the Jews to perish.

All in the next 7-10 years or your money back!

Perhaps I should clarify entire world.  It's unclear if the United States will be involved.  From what I can tell, it will be mainly a Russian-led war with several forces joined in including Iran and many other Middle-Eastern countries.  The Biblical Gog and Magog will lead the war and those places are modern-day Russia.  While nobody knows for sure, but I think it is very possible that Vladimir Putin could be the Antichrist.  That is nothing more than an educated guess on my part.  I do believe the Antichrist will come from Europe, whether it is Putin or not.  (It is not Obama, despite what many stupid conservatives believe.)
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« Reply #545 on: October 27, 2014, 09:20:54 am »
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I wouldn't call Bushie crazy for this as it's a common cultural line of thinking in the South. It's premillenialism. Jmfcst is a postmillenialist, a more practical yet nihilistic approach.

As far as I can tell, the determining factor in whether an Evangelical is post or pre is whether or not they are a powerful wealthy male with a hot wife. Jmfcst is fairly well off so he doesn't mind have to die in a bloody 1000 year Armageddon as atonement for his splendor.

Bushie on the other hand, along with most housewives and minimum wage workers, has never tasted true power, sexual dominance, enormous wealth, and freedom from pain, so they spend their days imagining a Rapture where they all get free from their obese bodies and into six pack abs, get a mansion for 1000 years, and get to laugh and enjoy peace in a Garden of Eden like scenario while all their enemies burn.
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« Reply #546 on: October 27, 2014, 09:22:33 am »
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Anyway, let's change the subject for a bit.  I heard from the Great Russ Powers of Oklahoma today congratulating me on landing the job!!
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« Reply #547 on: October 27, 2014, 09:22:52 am »
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Glorious news!
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« Reply #548 on: October 27, 2014, 09:24:31 am »
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Anyway, let's change the subject for a bit.  I heard from the Great Russ Powers of Oklahoma today congratulating me on landing the job!!

He's going to be so disappointed in a few weeks.
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« Reply #549 on: October 27, 2014, 09:25:47 am »
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Anyway, let's change the subject for a bit.  I heard from the Great Russ Powers of Oklahoma today congratulating me on landing the job!!

He's going to be so disappointed in a few weeks.

He knows it's only a contract job, so he will be expecting an e-mail with that news in the next few months.
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