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J.R. Brown
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« on: March 08, 2005, 09:00:21 PM »

I'm taking the percentage of popular vote each candidate gets and multiplying it by the total number of electoral votes in each state. Example: Kerry: 34.56%, (.3456)(3)=1.0 votes

2004:

State-by-State Results:

Alabama: 9 Votes
Kerry-36.84%, 3.3 Electoral Votes
Bush-62.46%, 5.6 Electoral Votes

Alaska: 3 Votes
Kerry-35.52%, 1.1 Electoral Votes
Bush-61.07%, 1.8 Electoral Votes

Arizona: 10 Votes
Kerry-44.37%, 4.4 Votes
Bush-54.83%, 5.5 Votes

Arkansas: 6 Votes
Kerry-44.55%, 2.7 Votes
Bush-54.31%, 3.3 Votes

Should I keep going or is this just stupid?

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 09:24:39 PM »

It's not exactly stupid, but there's little point splitting up EVs when each vote actually represents one whole person.  It'd be easier to round them up or down.

I did something similar for the 2000 results, and found that Gore and Bush each got 262 votes, while Nader got 14 votes.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2005, 09:48:38 PM »



Votes rounded.
Kerry: 259
Bush: 279

Red-Kerry received more electoral votes in that state
Blue-Bush received more electoral votes in that state
Grey-Electoral votes split evenly between the candidates
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 08:26:24 AM »



Votes rounded.
Kerry: 259
Bush: 279

Red-Kerry received more electoral votes in that state
Blue-Bush received more electoral votes in that state
Grey-Electoral votes split evenly between the candidates

Is this rounding each states EVs off to a whole number?  Ho does it come out if you round off to whole numbers and guarantee the winner of the state at least 1 more EV than their opponent?
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2005, 07:31:04 PM »



Votes rounded.
Kerry: 259
Bush: 279

Red-Kerry received more electoral votes in that state
Blue-Bush received more electoral votes in that state
Grey-Electoral votes split evenly between the candidates

Is this rounding each states EVs off to a whole number? Ho does it come out if you round off to whole numbers and guarantee the winner of the state at least 1 more EV than their opponent?

Yeah, each states EV's are rounded off to a whole number.
States that Tied:

Arkansas:
Kerry 44.55%, 2.67 EVs-3
Bush 54.31%, 3.26 EVs-3

Minnesota:
Kerry 51.09%, 5.11 EVs-5
Bush 47.61%, 4.76 EVs-5

Maine:
Kerry 53.57%, 2.14 EVs-2
Bush 44.58%, 1.78 EVs-2

New Hampshire:
Kerry 50.25%, 2.01 EVs-2
Bush 48.88%, 1.96 EVs-2

Ohio:
Kerry 48.71%, 9.74 EVs-10
Bush 50.81%, 10.16 EVs-10

Wisconsin:
Kerry 49.70%, 4.97 EVs-5
Bush 49.32%, 4.93 EVs-5
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2005, 11:01:07 PM »

A proportional system would only make sense if you allocate EVs by CD, but give the winner both Senatoral EVs.


In TN, for instance, Bush carried 7 of the 9 CDs (if I'm not mistaken)  and would get both Senatoral EVs.  Therefore, Bush carries TN 9-2

It would be interesting to see how the electoral map of '04 would look on this basis.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2005, 11:10:51 PM »

Victor gerrimando...

That would be a mistake.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2005, 11:22:13 PM »

Victor gerrimando...

That would be a mistake.
Yes, but the states are permitted to determine the means by which electors are selected. Determination by CD does allow the legislature to have some say in the EV by controlling the CDs. However, it's not as much control as would be present if the legislature directly determined the electors as happened in some early contests.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 11:48:02 PM »

Victor gerrimando...

That would be a mistake.
Yes, but the states are permitted to determine the means by which electors are selected. Determination by CD does allow the legislature to have some say in the EV by controlling the CDs. However, it's not as much control as would be present if the legislature directly determined the electors as happened in some early contests.

It's constitutional, yes, but it's certainly silly.

Even worse is the proposed Colorado method...see my analysis from October 2004 which extended that to all states in past elections...

Dole wins in '96, Humphrey in '68, etc...
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2005, 09:32:42 PM »

A proportional system would only make sense if you allocate EVs by CD, but give the winner both Senatoral EVs.


In TN, for instance, Bush carried 7 of the 9 CDs (if I'm not mistaken)  and would get both Senatoral EVs.  Therefore, Bush carries TN 9-2

It would be interesting to see how the electoral map of '04 would look on this basis.

Its been done, and Bush winning margin would increase:
Bush 317
Kerry 221
see:
http://www.polidata.org/prcd/default.htm
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