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« on: December 10, 2014, 05:59:24 PM »
« edited: December 23, 2014, 04:41:01 PM by SWE, Senator-Elect »

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Sponsor: Representative Dallasfan65

Debate on this bill will last for 72 hours, or until 5:59 PM on Saturday, December 13, unless otherwise modified or extended. The sponsor has 36 hours to advocate for this proposed legislation. If he does not, this bill will be tabled as there is other pending legislation in the queue.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 11:28:37 PM »

While I like the great Dallasfan, I don't think we should be listing corporations in laws. This is written as if it is clearly catered to corporate interests and not the people.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 11:24:02 PM »

While I like the great Dallasfan, I don't think we should be listing corporations in laws. This is written as if it is clearly catered to corporate interests and not the people.

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I'm open to further amendments but I'm not sure of an encompassing term that can cover other apps/institutions like AirBnB.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2014, 01:51:29 AM »

While I like the great Dallasfan, I don't think we should be listing corporations in laws. This is written as if it is clearly catered to corporate interests and not the people.

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I'm open to further amendments but I'm not sure of an encompassing term that can cover other apps/institutions like AirBnB.

This is much better, definitely an improvement. Why are we un-restricting AirBnB? Where was the restrictment to begin with?
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 02:30:51 AM »

Obviously support.  a taxi and  drunk driving.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2014, 01:04:00 PM »

While I like the great Dallasfan, I don't think we should be listing corporations in laws. This is written as if it is clearly catered to corporate interests and not the people.

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I'm open to further amendments but I'm not sure of an encompassing term that can cover other apps/institutions like AirBnB.

This is much better, definitely an improvement. Why are we un-restricting AirBnB? Where was the restrictment to begin with?

New York City.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2014, 05:16:39 PM »

While I like the great Dallasfan, I don't think we should be listing corporations in laws. This is written as if it is clearly catered to corporate interests and not the people.

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I'm open to further amendments but I'm not sure of an encompassing term that can cover other apps/institutions like AirBnB.

This is much better, definitely an improvement. Why are we un-restricting AirBnB? Where was the restrictment to begin with?

New York City.

Can we phrase the proposed bill in a way that doesn't use corporate names like AirBnB? You did it for the rest.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 11:27:38 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 03:22:31 PM »

Proposed Amendment of Dallasfan's Amendment.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 04:02:39 PM »

Hmm.  I'm not quite sure of the necessity for this. Certainly we don't want to create a system with no regulation or oversight. While sirnick's amendment dresses that somewhat, I don't think it creates the kind of regulation and safety system that should be in place with these issues
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 11:44:57 AM »

Hmm.  I'm not quite sure of the necessity for this. Certainly we don't want to create a system with no regulation or oversight. While sirnick's amendment dresses that somewhat, I don't think it creates the kind of regulation and safety system that should be in place with these issues

I actually had the same concern. I think the phrasing "all laws" is a bit broad  still
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 12:10:17 PM »

I support the Dallasfan version :/
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 12:54:33 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2014, 01:55:59 PM by Barnes »

I would refer everyone to the events transpiring in Sydney where Uber quadrupled their base rate to $100 for the area surrounding the hostage situation. Could you imagine something happening like that during the events of the bombing of the Boston Marathon, for example? Secondly, I'm sure you have all seen the allegations in India and Chicago of Uber drivers raping passengers; without attempting to act as a court of law here, surely this compromises part of the company's prized confidence in their drivers.

In response to these incidents, I am opposed to the bill.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 02:03:59 PM »

We have laws against price gouging already.

Also, comparing Atlasia to India is absurd in this context, but at the same time, they should be held to the same standars that we hold taxi companies to.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 03:11:36 PM »

I would refer everyone to the events transpiring in Sydney where Uber quadrupled their base rate to $100 for the area surrounding the hostage situation. Could you imagine something happening like that during the events of the bombing of the Boston Marathon, for example? Secondly, I'm sure you have all seen the allegations in India and Chicago of Uber drivers raping passengers; without attempting to act as a court of law here, surely this compromises part of the company's prized confidence in their drivers.

In response to these incidents, I am opposed to the bill.

rape is illegal regardless of whether or not one is using a ridesharing app. Its also not Uber's responsibility to evacuate people during emergencies. Its a small convenience for people who are drunk or might be without their car for a few days.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2014, 05:11:32 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2014, 06:29:13 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.

what regulations are necessary?
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2014, 08:16:45 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.

what regulations are necessary?

It's a different take on an industry that already exists -- private rides and chauffeurs. The only difference is instead of scheduling the ride via phone, you request it via an app.
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2014, 08:44:02 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.

what regulations are necessary?

It's a different take on an industry that already exists -- private rides and chauffeurs. The only difference is instead of scheduling the ride via phone, you request it via an app.

so when I give my friend a ride, what regulations are necessary?
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2014, 08:49:32 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.

what regulations are necessary?

It's a different take on an industry that already exists -- private rides and chauffeurs. The only difference is instead of scheduling the ride via phone, you request it via an app.

so when I give my friend a ride, what regulations are necessary?

Do you want your friend to smoke in the car?
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2014, 09:42:16 PM »

I'm not trying to ban Uber or services like it, that's not my intention through this, but I think it's nessecary to regulate this developing industry. That's the extent of my concerns.

what regulations are necessary?

It's a different take on an industry that already exists -- private rides and chauffeurs. The only difference is instead of scheduling the ride via phone, you request it via an app.

so when I give my friend a ride, what regulations are necessary?

Do you want your friend to smoke in the car?

maybe, maybe not. I certainly do NOT want you telling me he cant though.
(The apps dont allow smoking but that should be up to the service or the driver)
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2014, 09:45:04 PM »

What are we even talking about in here anymore? Nobody gives a hoot what you do in your car, Napoleon. We're taking about for-profit businesses, not a friendly car pool. I'm not trying to be snippy, but let's try to not stray too far from the bill in hand.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2014, 09:48:13 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2014, 09:52:06 PM by Napoleon »

What are we even talking about in here anymore? Nobody gives a hoot what you do in your car, Napoleon. We're taking about for-profit businesses, not a friendly car pool. I'm not trying to be snippy, but let's try to not stray too far from the bill in hand.
The drivers are not employees of the company.

I dont know how many times I need to ask: what regulations are being repealed that you consider necessary? You honestly seem unfamiliar with ridesharing...
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2014, 10:40:08 PM »

Sorry, fell asleep a bit on this one guys.

I'll accept Sirnick's amendment as friendly.

I would refer everyone to the events transpiring in Sydney where Uber quadrupled their base rate to $100 for the area surrounding the hostage situation. Could you imagine something happening like that during the events of the bombing of the Boston Marathon, for example? Secondly, I'm sure you have all seen the allegations in India and Chicago of Uber drivers raping passengers; without attempting to act as a court of law here, surely this compromises part of the company's prized confidence in their drivers.

In response to these incidents, I am opposed to the bill.

The rape incident is problematic, but it seems like a jump to conclusions to fault Uber for this. For instance, part of the India problem is that Uber's outfit in India is shoestring at best.

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This may be because India itself has an ineffective criminal justice system. Rape is a serious problem in India in general.

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With regards to the Chicago case, there are instances of regular taxi drivers assaulting passengers.

I'll agree that price gouging is fool-hardy policy and not good for PR. What hasn't been mentioned here is that Uber's pricing is actually automatic.

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In other words, the price of Uber cabs fluctuate in response to demand. This isn't unique to Uber. For instance, it's cheaper to fly on a Wednesday than it is to fly right before a holiday.
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2014, 05:55:35 PM »

This is a current topic in many places around the world. France is planning to ban Uber next year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/business/international/france-says-it-will-ban-ubers-low-cost-service-in-new-year.html?_r=0

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