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« on: December 13, 2014, 06:52:16 pm »

Senators, articles of impeachment have been filed against Vice President SJoyce:

ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST VICE-PRESIDENT SJOYCE
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Having failed to post on the Fantasy Government for nine consecutive days (224 hours; last post: December 02, 2014, 10:50:14 am), an article of impeachment shall be automatically placed before Senate in accordance with Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and thus considered accordingly.

Please discuss the merits of this indictment.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2014, 07:12:36 pm »

I believe there are no grounds to impeach Vice-President SJoyce from office, specially when most of the legal duties of the Vice-Presidency are now gone, and I ask the Senate as well to disregard these articles of impeachment.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2014, 07:14:12 pm »

I'm more undecided, I'm leaning Abstain.
Simply, who is more to blame for this impeachment is the senators who voted Aye in the last reform rules, basically stripping every duty Sjoyce could have had.
However, considering the constitution says he's the president of the senate, I believe this is his duty to participate in the senate threads.
So right now, I'm leaning Abstain.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2014, 07:41:06 pm »

I'll just say that I've never directly called for the Vice President to be removed from office, but I'm incensed at the level of whining for merely following the Constitution and introducing these impeachment articles. Of course they deserved to be introduced by someone - anyone - because that is the law. Federal officeholders swear to uphold and defend the Constitution, after all. If the game worked as intended, then they would automatically manifest via robot (Yankee?) as the law states. Nobody was upset in the past about these articles of impeachment being introduced for other Senators who didn't engage on the FG board but who did on the FE board (Xahar).

This particular article and clause has been finely tuned multiple times over the year and is purposefully designed to be the way it is; officeholders have to engage on the Government board, as that is where the actual decision-making and game play really occur. A message needs to be sent to all Senators, the President and the Vice-President that their continued and active presence on this board is required, regardless of whatever excuses ("my role has been changed", "I have real life unlike everyone else", "I posted on the FE board", etc) may be. These people should spend more time reflecting on how they are letting the electorate down and less time blaming me or anyone else for their failings.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 02:35:06 am »

Windjammer is right to an extent, that by removing the office's responsbilities, essentially means the VP is mandated to perform an undefined action lest he be impeached.


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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2014, 04:06:42 am »

I don't think it's fair to punish someone for not participating in Senate discussions when they have no authority or say in anything the Senate does. Maybe if we had been waiting on him for a week to break a tie vote we should impeach him, but given the Vice President's complete lack of authority or responsibilities I see no reason we should impeach SJoyce for not doing something when nothing has been required of him.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 06:56:24 am »

Bacon King (as always) has the right answer to this in my eyes. If there is no duty for him to do here, why should we impeach him for not doing his non-existent duty?
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 07:13:47 am »

Yeah, I echo BK and Cranberry. Impeachment should only occur when someone has been failing to do their job, and that's not the case either here or with lumine.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 01:54:32 pm »

Not going to vote for impeachment here.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 02:05:41 pm »

I check this board fairly frequently to see if there's any ties that need to be broken, but apart from that I have no duties here - as in real life much of the VP's informal work seems to be done outside of the confines of the Senate.
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 11:04:43 am »

This vote is now open. Please vote aye or nay. I will close voting once a majority has been reached or 7 days has passed, whichever comes first.
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2014, 11:16:54 am »

Abstain
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2014, 01:16:03 pm »

Nay
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2014, 05:31:32 pm »

Nay
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2014, 09:04:45 am »

Even if he has no official duties because of the senate, he's still president of the senate and I believe he should participate to the senate threads.
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2014, 08:12:52 pm »

So symbolic aye
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 03:53:51 am »

Nay, though I do share Windjammer's sentiments and encourage efforts to be made make the VP's presence felt immediately.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2015, 06:48:54 pm »

Bump, I believe this is still open and has to be closed.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2015, 04:59:53 pm »


Okay, the impeachment officially fails. Smiley
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