Who do you support for Pope?

[12th Doctor]

Star Tribune and my local paper just said Tettamanzi is moderate and reform minded. If Hummes is liberal, than he'd be better. But if that nut Ratzinger gets it, I'll be more happy than ever that I'm not Catholic!

What the church really needs though is an Oscar Romero or Philip Berrigan.

HA!!!  Romero would have condemed you to Hell, so I have no idea why you would want him.  You are so misinfomed, it is a joke, sometimes.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, but I have never said that I don't sin, either.  As I have said, I support the Church keeping their doctrines as is, because, rather than falling to "present realities" as all the other churches have, they should strive to uphold an ideal morality.  One does not define morality by "present realities", but rather by high principles that represent ideals that one should strive for.  No one is expected to be perfect.  That does not mean that our examples should not be as perfect as possible.

or maybe they should look at doctrines that don't make any sense and maybe get rid of them. How is killing sperm wrong? And for that matter opposing all masturbation and birth control is unnatural and unhealthy.

Or maybe you should open your mind to the idea that not everything you do is right.  I have yet to ever hear you admit that anything you have ever done was wrong.  I don't really care personally, as I said, I am not perfect.


... And getting nailed to a cross is unnatural and unhealthy, too, last I checked.

If I think it's wrong, I'm going to try to quit doing it. I actually have done so, I threw away a bunch of my hardcore porn mags awhile back and have tried to not drink excessively to drunkeness. I just don't see what's wrong with jacking off.

and we aren't supposed to nail ourselves to crosses.

[Hatman 🍁]

Write in: Marc Cardinal Ouellett (Canada)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Star Tribune and my local paper just said Tettamanzi is moderate and reform minded. If Hummes is liberal, than he'd be better. But if that nut Ratzinger gets it, I'll be more happy than ever that I'm not Catholic!

What the church really needs though is an Oscar Romero or Philip Berrigan.

HA!!!  Romero would have condemed you to Hell, so I have no idea why you would want him.  You are so misinfomed, it is a joke, sometimes.

I don't care about him socially, what's important was his support of Communist insurgencies and that he as assasinated by right wingers.

Two more types would be great be Camilo Torres or Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

[patrick1]

No, but I have never said that I don't sin, either.  As I have said, I support the Church keeping their doctrines as is, because, rather than falling to "present realities" as all the other churches have, they should strive to uphold an ideal morality.  One does not define morality by "present realities", but rather by high principles that represent ideals that one should strive for.  No one is expected to be perfect.  That does not mean that our examples should not be as perfect as possible.

or maybe they should look at doctrines that don't make any sense and maybe get rid of them. How is killing sperm wrong? And for that matter opposing all masturbation and birth control is unnatural and unhealthy.

Or maybe you should open your mind to the idea that not everything you do is right.  I have yet to ever hear you admit that anything you have ever done was wrong.  I don't really care personally, as I said, I am not perfect.


... And getting nailed to a cross is unnatural and unhealthy, too, last I checked.

If I think it's wrong, I'm going to try to quit doing it. I actually have done so, I threw away a bunch of my hardcore porn mags awhile back and have tried to not drink excessively to drunkeness. I just don't see what's wrong with jacking off.

and we aren't supposed to nail ourselves to crosses.

Basically because masturbation is the potentiality of life being destroyed and it is sexual gratification with no end or love involved- beside self love.  The Church does not harp on this subject that much as they realize we are human and have animal urges but they remain true to doctrine to hold ourselves to a higher more Christ-like standard.

[The Duke]

OScar Romero and Aristide are your picks for Pope then.  Okey Dokey.

[Moooooo]

Think this will hurt Ratzinger?

Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.

Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.

“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html

[12th Doctor]

No, but I have never said that I don't sin, either.  As I have said, I support the Church keeping their doctrines as is, because, rather than falling to "present realities" as all the other churches have, they should strive to uphold an ideal morality.  One does not define morality by "present realities", but rather by high principles that represent ideals that one should strive for.  No one is expected to be perfect.  That does not mean that our examples should not be as perfect as possible.

or maybe they should look at doctrines that don't make any sense and maybe get rid of them. How is killing sperm wrong? And for that matter opposing all masturbation and birth control is unnatural and unhealthy.

Or maybe you should open your mind to the idea that not everything you do is right.  I have yet to ever hear you admit that anything you have ever done was wrong.  I don't really care personally, as I said, I am not perfect.


... And getting nailed to a cross is unnatural and unhealthy, too, last I checked.

If I think it's wrong, I'm going to try to quit doing it. I actually have done so, I threw away a bunch of my hardcore porn mags awhile back and have tried to not drink excessively to drunkeness. I just don't see what's wrong with jacking off.

and we aren't supposed to nail ourselves to crosses.

Fine, good for you.  You are missing my point (or ignoring it), however.

Just because something is a part of our behavior does nto make it the ideal, and only the ideal should be held as being right.  Jesus went to great lengths to show his love for us.  We should do what we can to show our love for him.  It is the Churches job to assure that the doctrine promotes the ideal, regardless of what the reality of our times might be.

BTW, the Church does not oppose jerking off because of lose of sperm, they oppose it because it is basically a form of unfettered lust for another human being.

[12th Doctor]

I'm honestly prepared to declare that I truely think that Christoph Schoenborn will be the next Pope.  I just have a feeling.

[The Duke]

I'm honestly prepared to declare that I truely think that Christoph Schoenborn will be the next Pope.  I just have a feeling.

You know, if Schoenborn wins, I may have to become Catholic because it would have to be the work of the Holy Spirit.

[12th Doctor]

I'm honestly prepared to declare that I truely think that Christoph Schoenborn will be the next Pope.  I just have a feeling.

You know, if Schoenborn wins, I may have to become Catholic because it would have to be the work of the Holy Spirit.

LOL...  I don't know.  I have supported him since the death of John Paul II, but, tonight I honestly just have this feeling that he will get it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, but I have never said that I don't sin, either.  As I have said, I support the Church keeping their doctrines as is, because, rather than falling to "present realities" as all the other churches have, they should strive to uphold an ideal morality.  One does not define morality by "present realities", but rather by high principles that represent ideals that one should strive for.  No one is expected to be perfect.  That does not mean that our examples should not be as perfect as possible.

or maybe they should look at doctrines that don't make any sense and maybe get rid of them. How is killing sperm wrong? And for that matter opposing all masturbation and birth control is unnatural and unhealthy.

Or maybe you should open your mind to the idea that not everything you do is right.  I have yet to ever hear you admit that anything you have ever done was wrong.  I don't really care personally, as I said, I am not perfect.


... And getting nailed to a cross is unnatural and unhealthy, too, last I checked.

If I think it's wrong, I'm going to try to quit doing it. I actually have done so, I threw away a bunch of my hardcore porn mags awhile back and have tried to not drink excessively to drunkeness. I just don't see what's wrong with jacking off.

and we aren't supposed to nail ourselves to crosses.

Basically because masturbation is the potentiality of life being destroyed and it is sexual gratification with no end or love involved- beside self love.  The Church does not harp on this subject that much as they realize we are human and have animal urges but they remain true to doctrine to hold ourselves to a higher more Christ-like standard.

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OScar Romero and Aristide are your picks for Pope then.  Okey Dokey.

Well Romero is dead and Aristide was only a priest and he actually left later so he definately couldn't get it either. But either one would definately be preferable to whoever they likely will pick.

[patrick1]

OScar Romero and Aristide are your picks for Pope then.  Okey Dokey.

Well Romero is dead and Aristide was only a priest and he actually left later so he definately couldn't get it either. But either one would definately be preferable to whoever they likely will pick.

BRTD, when exactly were you elevated to the College of Cardinals?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OScar Romero and Aristide are your picks for Pope then.  Okey Dokey.

Well Romero is dead and Aristide was only a priest and he actually left later so he definately couldn't get it either. But either one would definately be preferable to whoever they likely will pick.

BRTD, when exactly were you elevated to the College of Cardinals?

I have no desire to be in it, I'm just saying who I'd think the best choice would be. Mind if they picked someone like Aristide, Camillo Torres (one of the founding members of the Colombian extreme left wing guerilla group Ejército de Liberación Nacional, or Ernesto Cardenal (one of the leaders of the Sandinista Revolution), I might actually become Catholic!

Forget Catholic schoolgirls, I want Catholic communist guerilla girls!

[The Duke]

No, but I have never said that I don't sin, either.  As I have said, I support the Church keeping their doctrines as is, because, rather than falling to "present realities" as all the other churches have, they should strive to uphold an ideal morality.  One does not define morality by "present realities", but rather by high principles that represent ideals that one should strive for.  No one is expected to be perfect.  That does not mean that our examples should not be as perfect as possible.

or maybe they should look at doctrines that don't make any sense and maybe get rid of them. How is killing sperm wrong? And for that matter opposing all masturbation and birth control is unnatural and unhealthy.

Or maybe you should open your mind to the idea that not everything you do is right.  I have yet to ever hear you admit that anything you have ever done was wrong.  I don't really care personally, as I said, I am not perfect.


... And getting nailed to a cross is unnatural and unhealthy, too, last I checked.

If I think it's wrong, I'm going to try to quit doing it. I actually have done so, I threw away a bunch of my hardcore porn mags awhile back and have tried to not drink excessively to drunkeness. I just don't see what's wrong with jacking off.

and we aren't supposed to nail ourselves to crosses.

Basically because masturbation is the potentiality of life being destroyed and it is sexual gratification with no end or love involved- beside self love.  The Church does not harp on this subject that much as they realize we are human and have animal urges but they remain true to doctrine to hold ourselves to a higher more Christ-like standard.

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

I don't think they're worried about physical, but spiritual risks.  I used to look at lots of porn, and it lessened my ability to find actual women attractive.  Too much asturbation is dangerous to your ability to have real human interaction.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't think they're worried about physical, but spiritual risks.  I used to look at lots of porn, and it lessened my ability to find actual women attractive.  Too much asturbation is dangerous to your ability to have real human interaction.

I won't deny that, which is why I cut down, but saying you can't do it at all is ridiculous.

[patrick1]

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

A woman can also have more children and produce more eggs after having an abortion...but I digress.  The highest form/ideal of sex is the love between a man and woman in a loving marriage.  Masturbation is debasing oneself to an animal nature.  It is cheapening one of the greatest gifts that God has given us: Love.  "Cheap sex" is wrong for the same reason and the fact that manipulation of ones emotions could be involved.

BTW, I am sure you have noticed- I spent many years in hedonistic pursuits of drinking, going to strip clubs, hitting on the ladies etc. but as I have gotten older I have found these to be empty pursuits and unfulfilling.  I have re-connected to my Catholic faith and am focusing on helping my community and becoming a better person.  That is what works for me right now.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

A woman can also have more children and produce more eggs after having an abortion...but I digress.  The highest form/ideal of sex is the love between a man and woman in a loving marriage.  Masturbation is debasing oneself to an animal nature.  It is cheapening one of the greatest gifts that God has given us: Love.  "Cheap sex" is wrong for the same reason and the fact that manipulation of ones emotions could be involved.

well I don't oppose abortion but I can understand why one would consider it wrong as they would consider it ending a human life, masturbation doesn't do that. I also don't see the cheapening in masturbation since there's no love involved, and it doesn't cut down on your ability to love anyone else. And didn't you once say you WOULD have sex with a hot female communist guerilla in one of my countless polls on the topic?

[The Duke]

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

A woman can also have more children and produce more eggs after having an abortion...but I digress.  The highest form/ideal of sex is the love between a man and woman in a loving marriage.  Masturbation is debasing oneself to an animal nature.  It is cheapening one of the greatest gifts that God has given us: Love.  "Cheap sex" is wrong for the same reason and the fact that manipulation of ones emotions could be involved.

well I don't oppose abortion but I can understand why one would consider it wrong as they would consider it ending a human life, masturbation doesn't do that. I also don't see the cheapening in masturbation since there's no love involved, and it doesn't cut down on your ability to love anyone else. And didn't you once say you WOULD have sex with a hot female communist guerilla in one of my countless polls on the topic?

Wait, didn't you effectively agree just a few posts ago that you say you "don't deny" my statement that masturbation "is dangerous to your ability to have real human interaction" and that your agreement with said statement was "why (you) cut down"?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That's just if you overdo it.

[Lunar]

Tettamanzi is hardly a liberal.  He's a moderate conservative.  The liberals from Europe are Daneels and to a lesser extent Lustiger.  Non-European liberals are Hummes and Rodriguez.

Thanks for answering.  I'm going to root for Oscar Rodriguez then.  Obviously none of the candidates are truly liberal, the closest ist Daneels.  I like the liberal end of the Catholic church leadership and I think such a moderating voice could do much in the world, amplified if its not the typical core European voice.

[patrick1]

The potentiality of life isn't destroyed, you can't go sterile by masturbating. Your body always creates new sperm. What's wrong with sexual gratification with no end or love involved here? I could understand complaining about promiscous sex or even cheap sex like I have, but masturbation has none of the risks and is nothing like that at all.

BTW, I am sure you have noticed- I spent many years in hedonistic pursuits of drinking, going to strip clubs, hitting on the ladies etc. but as I have gotten older I have found these to be empty pursuits and unfulfilling.  I have re-connected to my Catholic faith and am focusing on helping my community and becoming a better person.  That is what works for me right now.

^^^^To answer your previous question.
I believe that masturbation does cut down your ability to love someone else.   During marriage it is a form of lusting after another other than your wife- otherwise it is the lust of using someone or something
(image, movie etc) as a means to an end.  People (porn stars whomever) should not be used as a means to an end.  It debases them as a person by denying their humanity and it debases us to our primal urges,.

[The Duke]

BTW, I am sure you have noticed- I spent many years in hedonistic pursuits of drinking, going to strip clubs, hitting on the ladies etc. but as I have gotten older I have found these to be empty pursuits and unfulfilling.  I have re-connected to my Catholic faith and am focusing on helping my community and becoming a better person.  That is what works for me right now.

You should talk to MarkDel.  That's basically his story.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Tettamanzi is hardly a liberal.  He's a moderate conservative.  The liberals from Europe are Daneels and to a lesser extent Lustiger.  Non-European liberals are Hummes and Rodriguez.

Thanks for answering.  I'm going to root for Oscar Rodriguez then.  Obviously none of the candidates are truly liberal, the closest ist Daneels.  I like the liberal end of the Catholic church leadership and I think such a moderating voice could do much in the world, amplified if its not the typical core European voice.

So would you be a big of fan of Aristide and the guys who backed communist guerilla revolutions?