Anti-Catholic bigotry

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

no.

If it exists, so does anti-Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi, Libertarian, populist, etc. bigotry. They're all groups one chooses to join, like the Catholic church.

[Jake]

So, there isn't anti-Nazi bigotry ?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Nope. Does opposing Nazism make you a bigot? No more than opposing communism or socialism does. I don't accuse people who disagree with me of being anti-socialist bigots.

[Peter]

I think there are some people who will attack something on the sole grounds that that is what it is rather than any rational or intellectual basis. From that I deduct that all manner of bigotry exists, it is simply an argument over how prevalent it is.

[Blue Rectangle]

no.

If it exists, so does anti-Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi, Libertarian, populist, etc. bigotry. They're all groups one chooses to join, like the Catholic church.

And current law protects people against discrimination on the basis of religious belief.  Would you support eliminating that protection?

[John Dibble]

I think there are some people who will attack something on the sole grounds that that is what it is rather than any rational or intellectual basis. From that I deduct that all manner of bigotry exists, it is simply an argument over how prevalent it is.

^^

And nowhere in the definition of bigot or bigotry does it state that bigotry only applies to race/sexual orientation/sex/other non-choice characteristics.

Oh, and NoU - do you think there's no such thing as anti-Jewish bigotry, or were the Nazis not bigots? Is being Jewish not a choice?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not in the sense that Hitler saw it, he used the definition of Jewish as a race, not as religion, he didn't target only practicing Jews, but rather those from Jewish families and backgrounds.

[John Dibble]

Not in the sense that Hitler saw it, he used the definition of Jewish as a race, not as religion, he didn't target only practicing Jews, but rather those from Jewish families and backgrounds.

True enough, but I doubt they'd have a problem with killing converts.

Now, let's extend the question - were those responsible for the Inquisition not bigots against Jews as a religion?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

well the problem is they took their opposition too far.

I oppose Republicans, but I wouldn't support rounding them up and executing them. That doesn't make me an anti-Republican bigot. Similarly I doubt you support executing people who support higher taxes even though you oppose them. That doesn't make you an anti-higher tax bigot.

[AuH2O]

I think to be a "bigot" requires irrational dislike/hate. If you rationally dislike someone I don't see the problem.

Are you bigoted if you hate people that try to kill you? I mean depending on where you live and what you do that could be a pretty nice chunk of people.

[Alcon]

I think to be a "bigot" requires irrational dislike/hate. If you rationally dislike someone I don't see the problem.

Are you bigoted if you hate people that try to kill you? I mean depending on where you live and what you do that could be a pretty nice chunk of people.

Rationality is in the eye of the beholder; few people are bigoted and do not believe in their bigotry.

[John Dibble]

well the problem is they took their opposition too far.

I oppose Republicans, but I wouldn't support rounding them up and executing them. That doesn't make me an anti-Republican bigot. Similarly I doubt you support executing people who support higher taxes even though you oppose them. That doesn't make you an anti-higher tax bigot.

Nobody ever said opposing something made one a bigot. You don't seem to really understand what a bigot is.

big·ot
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

bigot
n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

You and I are tolerant of other groups. There are those out there, however, who are vastly opposed to other groups - for instance, those who seriously believe liberalism is a mental disease. Such people are anti-liberal bigots. There are anti-conservative bigots as well. Bigotry has more to do with irrational hatred and unwillingness to consider your own group is not superior. I detest Naziism, communism, and other tyranny for rational, well thought out reasons, not simply because they conflict with my own beliefs - plenty of other groups are fine, and while I disagree with them I do not detest them.

[Citizen James]

It most certainly does exist.  It is not as common in the US as it used to be, but if you lurk around some of the darker and less enlightened parts of the net, it still exists.  Comments like calling the Pope a 'false idol' and treating adherents as dumb followers with large families who are only suited for manual labor do still exist in some areas.  There are some Christian sects that don't consider Catholics Christian (they were the earliest Christian church which still exists today- though academics may debate whether it started with Paul or with Constintine), or even consider them to be an evil cult.

I wouldn't  consider disagreeing with Catholic doctrine to be bigotry, nor questioning some of the policies of the church.  But when you start generating broad stereotypes based on few (or no) examples - that's where you wander into trouble.

Beliving their stance against birth control contributes to overpopulation is an opinion, beleving that all priests are pedophiles is bigotry.  There are a lot of things that could be debated, and there are probably some examples which could be only borderline bigotry; but as a general statement  I would claim that it is safe to say that anti-Catholic bigotry does exist.  (that is, there exist people and groups of people who hate Catholics in general terms based on irrational beliefs).

[Ebowed]

Of course it exists, and it's also still rather common, though less common right now because people still remember and like John-Paul II.  Bigotry against virtually every group of people exists, whether or not it amounts to anything depends on whether or not the bigots are violent and/or powerful.

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Of course it still exists, but much less than some people would have you think. You know the term anti-Catholic isbeing overused when Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Patrick Leahy are called anti-Catholic for opposing some right-wing Catholic nominee.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Anyone heard of Ian Paisley?

[opebo]

Correct BRTD, one cannot be bigoted against an ideology - one merely disagrees with it.  For example religion.  My hating religion for the danger it represents to my freedom is no different from a 'conservative' hating communism for the danger it represents to his 'property' and position in the social heirarchy.

[patrick1]

Anyone heard of Ian Paisley?

Calling JP II the antichrist was pretty funny of him as was calling the church the whore of Babylon.

[opebo]

no.

If it exists, so does anti-Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi, Libertarian, populist, etc. bigotry. They're all groups one chooses to join, like the Catholic church.

 My point is that even though religion-based bigotry was on the wane for some time, it has come back with a vengeance.  With a vengeance, I tell you.  You cannot swing a dead cat (a dead coon?) without it hitting some anti-evangelical protestant, anti-catholic, anti-jew, anti-muslim, anti-Hindu, anti-(insert your least favorite brand of religion here).

The obvious reason is that they have political power and are imposing their repellant beliefs with the power of the State.  If they merely practised their sick rites in private and never opened their traps about it in public then I would have no reason to passionately hate them.

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That was back in the good old days when the religious hadn't completely taken over either party, and both were basically socially liberal.

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'Bigotry' against an ideology exists in exact proportion to how big a threat that ideology is.  Religion is an enormous, frightful threat to our freedoms - in fact it is so bad that it is nearly certain that it will win.  Naturally one would hate such a threat as a Jew hates a Nazi or a rich man hates a communist.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Correct BRTD, one cannot be bigoted against an ideology - one merely disagrees with it.  For example religion.  My hating religion for the danger it represents to my freedom is no different from a 'conservative' hating communism for the danger it represents to his 'property' and position in the social heirarchy.

Excuse me? You're a bigot plain and simple.

[angus]

opebo, I'd add that elitism and bigotry aren't exactly the same thing, but they're close related.  And whether your elitism is against the "working class" or the "religious zealots" or whomever, it is still elitism, by definition, as you clearly have no qualms in making your perceived superiority over them known.  The bigotry stems from this intrinsic elitism.  You are too old and too smart to be arguing with me or anyone else over this.  I have said before I have no problems with racists, classists, anti-catholics, whatever, so long as they don't hurt me or my family, but let's be honest and call a bigot a bigot.  I often bitch about elitism (anti-egalitarianism), but I have *never* recommended feeding them to lions.  Nor will I.

[opebo]

opebo, I'd add that elitism and bigotry aren't exactly the same thing, but they're close related.  And whether your elitism is against the "working class" or the "religious zealots" or whomever, it is still elitism, by definition, as you clearly have no qualms in making your perceived superiority over them known.  The bigotry stems from this intrinsic elitism.  You are too old and too smart to be arguing with me or anyone else over this.  I have said before I have no problems with racists, classists, anti-catholics, whatever, so long as they don't hurt me or my family, but let's be honest and call a bigot a bigot.  I often bitch about elitism (anti-egalitarianism), but I have *never* recommended feeding them to lions.  Nor will I.

Of course it is just wishful thinking, but if it could be accomplished it would be entirely self defense, not bigotry.

[John Dibble]

opebo, I'd add that elitism and bigotry aren't exactly the same thing, but they're close related.  And whether your elitism is against the "working class" or the "religious zealots" or whomever, it is still elitism, by definition, as you clearly have no qualms in making your perceived superiority over them known.  The bigotry stems from this intrinsic elitism.  You are too old and too smart to be arguing with me or anyone else over this.  I have said before I have no problems with racists, classists, anti-catholics, whatever, so long as they don't hurt me or my family, but let's be honest and call a bigot a bigot.  I often bitch about elitism (anti-egalitarianism), but I have *never* recommended feeding them to lions.  Nor will I.

Of course it is just wishful thinking, but if it could be accomplished it would be entirely self defense, not bigotry.

Bigots such as yourself always find ways to justify their bigotry.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

if it could be accomplished it would be entirely self defense, not bigotry.

You sound just like a Nazi

[opebo]

if it could be accomplished it would be entirely self defense, not bigotry.

You sound just like a Nazi

Well, the Jews weren't out to stamp out prostitution.