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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2017, 08:01:14 am »

Why not one big volume?
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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2017, 08:10:17 am »


I'm OK with that, even though it makes it hard to follow and post on a specific topic.

Could you also rename the thread to something like "Tender's (immigrant) crime megathread" ?

... because having "refugees" in it generalizes this whole group, which I don't like (after all, I'm only against criminal refugees and immigrants and not the regular ones who want to integrate into society without raping someone etc.)

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« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2017, 08:48:25 am »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime
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« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2017, 02:09:55 pm »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

That is wrong.

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« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2017, 02:35:13 pm »

84-page report:

http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/cs03documentsbmi/1983.pdf

I will post the main findings about the report and especially about the migrant-crime-related parts in the evening when I have some time ...

Short summary:

Overall, crime increased by about 4% last year - a lot of the increase was because of an increase in violent crime (+7% - but not murders, which remained low), private cyber-crime (+31%) and economic crimes (which includes corporate cyber-crime, +11%).

Over the past 10 years, total crimes reported remained at roughly the same level.

More crimes are being committed by foreigners and especially asylum seekers though:

There were a total of 270.160 suspects, of which 61% were Austrian citizens and 39% foreigners (foreigners make up 14% of the overall population).

The number of foreign suspects increased by 14% in 2016. The share of foreign suspects has reached the highest level ever.

This is mostly because suspects who are asylum seekers exploded in 2016:

In 2015 a total of 14.458 asylum seekers were crime suspects, in 2016 that total rose to 22.289 suspects - an increase of 54%.

What this means is that in 2016, statistically-speaking ...

* 1 in 45 Austrian citizens was a crime suspect
* 1 in 12 foreign citizens was a crime suspect
* 1 in 4 asylum seekers was a crime suspect

Tough numbers ...
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« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2017, 02:45:17 pm »

Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?
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« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2017, 02:47:25 pm »

Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?

i think this stereotype is 20 years out-of-date but i guess you would know best. Wink + Tongue

fun fact...the foreigners who are guilty of the most crimes in austria are....germans.
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« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2017, 02:50:07 pm »

Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?

i think this stereotype is 20 years out-of-date but i guess you would know best. Wink + Tongue

fun fact...the foreigners who are guilty of the most crimes in austria are....germans.

No, in 2016 it's actually Romanians. Germans are 2nd. Not a surprise though, as Germans are the largest group of foreigners in Austria. Plus, 60 million German tourists are visiting us every year ...

As for the Poles stealing cars here: Maybe 10-20 years ago, but nowadays car theft is going down significantly.
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« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2017, 02:52:37 pm »

as Germans are the largest group of foreigners in Austria. Plus, 60 million German tourists are visiting us every year ...

they are but not so much bigger than the yugoslavian diaspora. Tongue
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« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2017, 03:18:50 pm »

Overall, crime increased by about 4% last year - a lot of the increase was because of an increase in violent crime (+7% - but not murders, which remained low).

There were 46 murders in Austria last year and 98 murder attempts.

99.3% of the murder cases were solved (1 attempted case was not).

The murder rate is relatively unchanged at 0.5 cases per 100.000 people (USA: 5/100.000).

Comparison: 46 cases ... that's what the city of Chicago has in 2 weeks.
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« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2017, 04:48:34 pm »

Unfortunately for the victims, crime stats are only accurate through measuring background info on prosecuted and imprisoned felons.

In two years time, you will most likely tell us that Syrian and Algerian refugees are 4 times the national average for certain crimes.

But it's not just crime. Are they good drivers? Do these people start Restaurants and offer something to everyday Austrians? Do they blend well at social settings? Are they getting proper employment

The experience of immigration as a positive or a negative can be viewed a lot wider than imprisonment rates.

My pet peeve with migrant adults is when they block their children from Australian culture.

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« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2017, 04:54:02 pm »

everybody KNOWS afghans are over-represented, actual syrians are not.
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« Reply #137 on: March 09, 2017, 12:22:31 pm »

Here in Salzburg, 2 Syrian "refugees" were sentenced to 15 years and 12 years in prison today for torturing and killing a Serbian man in his apartment, because they wanted to torture his bank card details out of him by kicking and strangling him to death ...

They came as "refugees" back in 2015 and got the maximum sentence for "young adults" (19 years old).

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2829911
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« Reply #138 on: March 09, 2017, 12:23:34 pm »

seems like the justice system is working just fine, imho.

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« Reply #139 on: March 09, 2017, 12:27:52 pm »

seems like the justice system is working just fine, imho.

Nobody is disputing that the justice system isn't working fine.

It's more that these violent young Middle-Eastern/African men shouldn't be here in the first place to kill and brutally attack all these recent victims ...
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« Reply #140 on: March 09, 2017, 02:23:39 pm »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

Not an Austrian, but here's a disgusting (native German) suspect that's currently shocking Germany with this horrifying crime:

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« Reply #141 on: March 09, 2017, 03:11:46 pm »

How about "Tender's Megathread On Crime in Austria", if you would report other stuff too? Tongue
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« Reply #142 on: March 15, 2017, 07:39:30 am »

Yep. People will say this isn't a big deal but it is actually making life worse for people in a small way and it's part of what will undoubtedly become a larger trend.

Because of third world immigration and homelessness (two problems that are very much connected), New York City lacks a lot of amenities that other cities have. Public bathrooms had to be closed. Not as many businesses offer wifi. Public parks close at night. Supermarkets close at 8 or 9pm because they can't afford to pay people due to high rents.

Clearly you're familiar with a different New York City than I. First off, the case for linking "third world immigration" (see also: my post responding to CountryClassSF on AAD) with homelessness is extremely tenuous, to put it mildly. A majority of the homeless in NYC are black (i.e.: not immigrants), and an overwhelming majority street homeless. The proportion of Hispanics is broadly in line with their share of the overall city population.

Obviously, there's a homeless problem, and it's been getting worse in recent years. If you were acquainted with the actual New York, you'd know about those kiosks they put up last year at which the homeless setting up camp and watching porn until they blocked the websites, and now they've basically been disabling them except for emergency use. The street homeless seem to be getting more aggressive, and while it's still not as bad as San Francisco, it's likely "progressive" interests will continue to work against enforcement of existing laws. Again, this doesn't have much to do with migration!

But what really struck was the claim that groceries close at 8-9pm (!), which bears no relation to my experience; the two groceries nearest to me are open 24/7 and others are open until 10-12. I also don't get what high commercial rents have to do with homelessness.

Yes, the bit about "third world immigration and homelessness" sounds more like Stockholm than New York City. My roommate visited a few weeks ago and the presence of homeless people who were visible minorities was something he noted. And even there it didn't resemble the Children of Men-like scenario that FM describes in New York City that I've somehow never witnessed nor even heard about from anyone who lives there.
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« Reply #143 on: March 27, 2017, 01:31:47 am »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

Austrian woman admits she killed her own dog in a washer-dryer

A saga that has gripped Austria of a small dog spun to death in a washer-dryer took a shock twist Friday when the owner sensationally confessed to being the killer.

Initially, Silvia S. had said that she had come home last weekend to find the mangled remains of her beloved Gizmo, a Yorkshire Terrier, in a plant pot by her front door.

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The 49-year-old from Gratkorn in southern Austria had said that she had found an accompanying note that read: "Still warm. Suitable for washer-dryer".

Police found blood splatters and bits of fur inside the appliance.

In a story that won widespread media coverage, the inconsolable owner, pictured clutching sadly the green plant pot in question, fingered her neighbour as the prime suspect.

But on Friday police said that after a "thorough investigation" the owner herself admitted having accidentally been the culprit.

She told investigators that she had not noticed Gizmo when she turned on the machine to wash two dog blankets.

"She wanted to blame her neighbour in order not to have to confess to her son what had really happened," police said in a statement, adding that she now faces charges.

https://www.thelocal.at/20170324/austrian-woman-admits-she-killed-her-own-dog-in-a-washer-dryer
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« Reply #144 on: March 27, 2017, 08:43:44 am »

the cover up is (usually) worse than the crime
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« Reply #145 on: March 27, 2017, 10:35:47 am »

You've earned yourself thread title change. Stay on right path.
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« Reply #146 on: March 27, 2017, 11:05:07 am »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime
That's because he's behind most of those
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« Reply #147 on: March 27, 2017, 11:28:13 am »

No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime
That's because he's behind most of those

I don't know, man, criminal minds loves to see their work appreciated.
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« Reply #148 on: March 30, 2017, 02:30:08 pm »

A Moroccan has been arrested today for brutally raping a 21-year old woman in Salzburg:

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2834009

The man is a rejected asylum seeker, who was still in the country illegally and who was not deported so far (I guess because Morocco is a real bi*ch in taking their countrymen back).

...

And in Graz, a Nigerian asylum seeker was sentenced to 10 years in prison today - also for raping a woman:

http://steiermark.orf.at/news/stories/2834180

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And in Tyrol, 2 Moroccan asylum seekers brutally attacked 3 Tyrolians (incl. a woman) by beating them up with a broken bottle:

http://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/12790462-91/drei-tiroler-mit-tritten-und-glasflasche-im-rapoldipark-verletzt.csp
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« Reply #149 on: March 31, 2017, 10:32:11 am »

In 2016 there have been 49 attacks on asylum seeker homes in Austria (5 of which had no right-wing background => some asylum seekers want to burn down their own quarters).

In Germany (10x Austria's population), there were 970 attacks.
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