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« on: December 31, 2014, 04:21:51 am »
« edited: July 22, 2018, 02:10:46 am by Tender Branson »

Today's the last day of the year and that's a pretty interesting finding:

This year, there have been "only" 9 murders in Vienna (which now has a population of 1.8 million)

The previous record low was 13 murders in 2003.

Vienna had an average of 40 murders each year in the 1980s, with the population back then only 1.45 million.

That means the murder rate dropped from 2.8 cases/100.000 people in the 1980s to only 0.5 now.

Also, the newspaper report said that since early 2009, all murder cases have been solved since then. So, a 100% clearance rate for the past 5 years.

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I just checked comparable US cities such as Houston (2.2 million people) or Philly (1.6 million).

Philly had around 250 murders this year and Houston around 220.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2014, 04:24:27 am »

It has absolutely nothing to do with guns. You can be sure of that.

Oh and I'm waiting for the FP to make a big statement on that. Will they ? Wink
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2014, 04:36:07 am »

It has absolutely nothing to do with guns. You can be sure of that.

I know that your comment is sarcastic. But for sure it has to do with it. Since Austria passed a drastic new gun-control law in 1997, the number of gun-homicides dropped by almost 70% and gun-suicides dropped by 30%.

http://www.news.at/a/strengeres-waffengesetz-suizide-morde-1997-170834

Of course, better forensic analysis and offender profiling might have helped too, but it was certainly a good step. These days, potential killers are likely deterred by these increasingly sophisticated methods, because they know that they will be caught with a near 100% certainty.

Only 10% of murder cases here involve a gun anymore, compared to 70% of murder cases in the US.

The most spectacular murder this year in Vienna was actually one that killed the victim with a handgranade that was thrown into the car by the Bosnian killer.

Oh and I'm waiting for the FP to make a big statement on that. Will they ? Wink

I guess not. While the FP favors looser gun-laws, they focus more on property crimes (committed by Eastern European foreigners), rather than murders.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 03:08:38 pm »

Another year is over and 2014 was indeed an outlier:

* 2014 had a record low of just 9 murders in Vienna (even Austria-wide, 2014 was a record-low-murder-year, with just 38 cases among 8.6 million people)

* 2015 had 20 murders so far, which is more than double the 2014 number, but still very low for a city of 1.8 million people

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2749577

PS: All 20 murders in Vienna this year were solved. As were all murders dating back to 2009.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 03:12:57 pm »

Naive left-leftism in action!
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2015, 03:17:40 pm »


Nope, naive left-leftism has nothing to do with it - unless you can explain what you mean by it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 10:34:36 am »

2 other states (Lower Austria and Salzburg) have released their 2015 numbers as well in the last days and the trend so far points to an Austrian murder rate which is back up to the normal 0.7-0.8 cases per 100.000 people.

2014 was really an extremely low outlier.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2016, 08:56:43 pm »

The silence from the right-wing in this thread is deafening.

But Muricans don't care about foreign countries unless we're invading them, so it could just be ignorance I suppose. I wonder how many American blue avatars from the 2016 Presidential Forum even know we have an International Discussion one.

Great job Austria!
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2016, 10:15:17 pm »

All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 01:04:56 pm »

All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.

I have already explained this here (yes, asylum seekers do have a much higher murder rate than Austrians or foreigners in general):

Currently, 62.000 asylum seekers in Austria are getting government aid (usually, the basic minimum aid that every person incl. Austrian citizens who often worked years and paid into the system are getting => 850 a month).

As I've posted above, this number is expected to increase to around 85.000 by the end of the year, because in October alone there have been 11.000 asylum applications here.

http://orf.at/stories/2307874/2307862

Also, a look at the new crime statistics from Jan.-June 2015:

There have been 83 murders (incl. attempts) in the first 6 months of 2015, of which 45 were committed by foreigners. Of the foreigners, 16 were asylum seekers.

In other words:

There are 7.430.000 Austrian citizens who committed 38 murders.

There are 1.210.000 foreigners in Austria who committed 45 murders.

There are 62.000 asylum seekers in Austria who committed 16 murders.

The murder rates (per 100.000 people)Sad

Austrian citizens: 0.5
Foreigners: 3.7
Asylum seekers: 25.8

http://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/XXV/AB/AB_05631/imfname_463492.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 01:16:13 pm »

Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 01:20:58 pm »

   The details of the crime report in Tender's link  shows, to quote former New York mayor David Dinkins, a "gorgeous mosaic" of nationalities with juicy representation of immigrants from all over the place.  Looks like Syrians represent but a small fraction of asylum applicant wrong doers.
  So Asylum seekers are only 50 times more likely to commit murder than Austrian citizens.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2016, 01:28:33 pm »

  The details of the crime report in Tender's link  shows, to quote former New York mayor David Dinkins, a "gorgeous mosaic" of nationalities with juicy representation of immigrants from all over the place.  Looks like Syrians represent but a small fraction of asylum applicant wrong doers.
  So Asylum seekers are only 50 times more likely to commit murder than Austrian citizens.

The "Austrian citizens" murder rate is not adjusted though for an unknown number of murder victims who are stored somewhere in basements across the country.

So, not directly comparable ...

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2016, 01:40:08 pm »

Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake

Interestingly enough, it turned out that both were Germans from the state of Hessen.

Pretty bizarre that a German would kill his wife, dismember her and encase her head in concrete, then drive 500 miles to some lake in Austria to dump her and kill himself.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 05:29:58 pm »

   I remember the Traunsee and Gmunden from my trip to Austria in 1989.  A lovely place, so weird to be the site of a horrible discovery.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 05:58:12 pm »

Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake

Interestingly enough, it turned out that both were Germans from the state of Hessen.

Pretty bizarre that a German would kill his wife, dismember her and encase her head in concrete, then drive 500 miles to some lake in Austria to dump her and kill himself.
Because its not bizarre for non-Germans?
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 12:09:48 am »

All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.
Not instead, also.  Many of us have been trying to tell you guys this, but you've kept your fingers in your ears.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 12:43:23 am »

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to first make sure that the bad guy can get a gun and then give another good guy a gun as well, of course!

LOLAustria - you're doing it wrong!
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2016, 08:47:23 am »

It's Christmas, time to look at the most and least peaceful cities again:

Another year is over and 2014 was indeed an outlier:

* 2014 had a record low of just 9 murders in Vienna (even Austria-wide, 2014 was a record-low-murder-year, with just 38 cases among 8.6 million people)

* 2015 had 20 murders so far, which is more than double the 2014 number, but still very low for a city of 1.8 million people

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2749577

PS: All 20 murders in Vienna this year were solved. As were all murders dating back to 2009.

* 2016 so far (until mid-December):

14 murders, not an all-time low but also not really high. Even though Vienna's population has grown to 1.9 million.

That's a murder rate of 0.7/100.000 people

Look how this compares with big US cities.

(The only big US city which can somewhat match Vienna is Seattle, which will likely have 2.4/100.000 this year).
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2016, 10:24:06 am »

I live in the middle of one of the biggest 50 cities in the US.  The closest murder to me in the last 9 years is a 2.2 mile drive from my house (maybe 1.5 miles as the crow flies).  I feel very safe.  The total rate is 4.5/100k, but that's famously almost exclusively black people.  cite
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2016, 04:43:12 pm »

Shut up Tender Bronson, and stop gloating over the dead black bodies of America.  Happy?
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 02:55:25 am »

So far, 4/9 Austrian states have released their murder count for 2016:

Vienna: 15
Lower Austria: 9
Salzburg: 2
Tyrol: 1

Total: 27

These 4 states have a population of 4.8 million people, so the murder rate was 0.6/100.000 people.

For comparison, Chicago (2.7 million people), had 760 murders last year ... (rate: 28/100.000)
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2017, 09:13:11 am »

STOP
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2017, 09:14:17 am »


Huh
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2017, 09:16:32 am »

We don't need 3-5 f**king threads about crime statistics in a second-rate European capital.
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