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« on: February 24, 2017, 08:17:15 am »

what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.

No one said they should be left to drown in the water. They shouldn't be granted to choose where they live or how long they stay there, and as soon as the war is over unless they have a (2000 Euro+ Job) and are perfectly integrated, they need to be sent back to rebuild their Homeland.

And these are no harsh rules, these same rules apply for everyone in Austria in order to get a "Green Card".

For everyone, except the Refugees and the ones who are "connecting their Family".
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 12:39:02 pm »

A 17 year old Afghan so-called „refugee“ has stabbed his 16 year old Austrian girlfriend to death in her room at her home today:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/16-Jaehrige-getoetet-Taeter-fluechtete-nach-Wien/359349578

The Afghan bastard, who fled to Vienna, was captured today ...

I can't help it, but the first line from the SPÖ video against the government "They find a minority to blame" (or whatever, can't remember what it was) just keeps going through my head.

One of the reasons they are not fit to lead.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2018, 11:18:54 am »

Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2018, 08:35:33 am »

Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2018, 12:46:15 pm »

Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2018, 12:59:12 pm »

Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.

The Austrian BMI is working closely together with the Serb and Montenegrin officials, so yeah, they might get extradited ... assuming the killer(s) are still in Austria and not somewhere else already.


As long as they are in the EU, I assume they will be extradited.

If they managed to go back to Montenegro, it will probably be tougher, because their money has more influence there and they can stay under the radar.

Fun fact:

One of them is a cousin to the Balkan singer Dara Bubamara, or so they say at least.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 03:01:22 pm »

To be fair, the last murder most likely doesn't have a lot to do with him being non-European or from another culture, probably just a case of a junkie losing his mind.

The other 2 murders could have been prevented though (the one involving the Salafist and the one involving the Syrian criminal refugee).



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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 10:04:04 am »

32-year old Macedonian woman killed by her 36-year old Macedonian husband today, who stabbed her to death in a parking lot of a supermarket.

https://derstandard.at/2000096760199/32-Jaehrige-nach-Stichen-in-den-Halsbereich-in-Tulln-gestorben

That's the 5th murder in 3 weeks.

All of the victims so far were women. 4/5 killers were foreigners. 4/5 murders took place in Lower Austria, 1 in Vienna.

Just a quick correction, he is Albanian.

Not like it matters very much, the poor woman is gone anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 09:52:15 pm »

Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 09:41:23 am »

Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? Tongue

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...

I don't think so since "Herkunft" in a lot of cases refers to the ancestry, not the nationality (citizenship).

Either way, definitely a lot of murders considering the year just started.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 02:45:05 pm »

Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? Tongue

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...

I don't think so since "Herkunft" in a lot of cases refers to the ancestry, not the nationality (citizenship).

Either way, definitely a lot of murders considering the year just started.

Her first name was "Jasmina", so it's very likely that she's of Bosnian/Balkan origin.

Virtually no native Austrian woman would be named "Jasmina", but "Jasmin".

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/DJ-Mord--U-Haft-ueber-Verdaechtige-verhaengt--56815847

Oh yeah, he's Bosniak and she's probably Bosniak too, definitely not Austrian.

Either way a tragic story, but at least it could not be prevented (as opposed to not deported criminal migrants doing something similar after already accumulating a record in Europe).
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 08:09:56 am »

#11:

A Bosnian has killed his Serb ex-girlfriend yesterday night in Vienna on the street, by shooting her in the head. He later killed himself as well.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Wien-Meidling-52-Jaehriger-toetete-Ex-Freundin-mit-Kopfschuss-vor-Lokal/367804942

Update:

She seems to be still alive, but in a coma, so hopefully she makes it.

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https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/48-Jaehrige-im-Koma-Schuetze-tot/367852721

What does not surprise me is the illegal gun, as weapons were very available after the war.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2019, 03:40:27 pm »

This thread is biased in a quite unacceptable way. It doesn't report on the crimes taking places below floor level.



I don't get it?

He posted about every murder this year, not just the ones committed by migrants.

The fact that migrant committed crime is disproportionately high does not make it biased, and that's coming from a non-EU migrant living in Vienna.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 12:05:40 pm »

The women are fighting back!

(and a 57 yo chef married to a foreigner half his age is probably going to be a giant asshole, likely a little violent, certainly yells a lot....she's probably better off with....what do you get for murder in Austria, 6 months?, she's probably better off in prison for 6 months than stuck with him)

Either that or she's a Gold-digger ... Tongue

PS: 15-25 years for murder is the usual average sentence. Killers with a form of mental illness get that + they are locked up after that until they are deemed "cured".

Obviously, she will get less if she can prove abuse in the household, such as old marks on her body etc.

As Tender said, murderers get locked up for quite some time, the only difference being that the prisons are more comfortable than in the US, so I guess maybe you can drop the soap sometimes lol.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2019, 02:35:54 pm »

By all means, keep posting about your laughably provincial little backwater.  Watch out, I hear Frau Fetterarsch just had her purse snatched!  Pay closer attention, Tender - we need more details!

Just because your murder rate is out of control, doesn't mean that the rest of the world should use your situation as a "measure" for anything.

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2019, 02:17:48 pm »

The 2018 crime statistics are out and there were 60 cases of (completed) homicide last year, in which 73 people were murdered. Together with attempted murder, there were ca. 200 cases.

That is about twice the number of 2014, which was a record-low year - but still below the 100+ murder cases of the 1980s.

Also, rape cases and knife attacks have reached a new high, with every 2nd rapist being a foreigner. Rapes have doubled, knife attacks tripled since 2008.

In total, the number of reported crimes have dropped below 500.000 cases for the first time since 1999 and the clearance rate has reached a new high.

https://www.bundeskriminalamt.at/501/files/PKS_18_Broschuere.pdf

Has the current Govt done something to increase sentences and deport more violent foreign offenders?

I know deportations are up, but that encompasses mostly rejected Asylum seekers.
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