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« Reply #875 on: January 13, 2019, 03:46:23 pm »

Demoskop poll for Expressen. Question: "Should the parties make the agreement?"

45% in favour, 48% opposed. 8% don't know.

Among C/L voters at the general election, 60% are in favour while 35% against. Among current C/L voters, 93% are in favour, so it's quite logically those opposed to cooperation with Löfven, that has left the two parties. The article mentions that 69% of V and MP voters are in favour of the deal, but doesn't mention the number for Social Democrats. Among Sweden Democrat voters, 93% are opposed to the deal, while M + KD are 78% opposed.

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« Reply #876 on: January 14, 2019, 01:34:33 am »

V might actually vote No...

They will tell what they have decided later this morning.
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« Reply #877 on: January 14, 2019, 01:43:08 am »

Rumours has it now tha V votes No.

If so there is a majority against Löfvén.
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« Reply #878 on: January 14, 2019, 03:44:15 am »

Would be interesting to see what the Speaker does if that is indeed what V tells him?
Will he put forward Löfven anyway? It would be kind of weird if he did not when there has been a lot of energy and time devoted to this agreement, which is the biggest movement during the whole process. Of course, you can also argue that it would be weird to put forward Löfven twice in a row, without a majority. Perhaps also depends on the exact message of V. If they go for the "we are ready to negotiate about the agreement" line, then the Speaker would probably be more justified to put forward Löfven perhaps as there is then at least a theoretical chance that they could be convinced to vote blank.
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« Reply #879 on: January 14, 2019, 06:23:20 am »

Left Party rejects the deal, and says it will not let forward Löfven under this agreement. Sjöstedt recommends that Kristersson is put forward for the PM vote, since the M-KD budget is the agreed budget for the year. He says they will have discussions with Löfven to remove the intolerable things from the agreement, so that they can let him forward.
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« Reply #880 on: January 14, 2019, 06:36:14 am »

Lolllllll

This is fantastic. I get where V is coming from though. This is going to be a nightmare negotiation for everyone.
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« Reply #881 on: January 14, 2019, 07:54:44 am »

Note that Sjöstedt said that he didn't require anything in writing or it was changes to the agreement with the C, L and MP which he prioritized. It rather sounds like he'd settle for a handshake and gentleman's agreement with Löfven where the Social Democrats promise continue to working with V on issues outside of the four-party agreement and protect things that V got in the budget negotiations during the previous term in the forthcoming negotiations with C, L and MP.

Björklund also said in his press conference that it wouldn't a problem if S pushed for things in budget negotiations where Sjöstedt happened to be of the same opinion, and since a lot of if not all of the things V got during the past term are also things that S likes there could be a way out there. Maybe Löfven will give some assurances that S will protect and push for things like free medicine for children, free buss passes for youth during the summer holidays and tax deductions for union memberships in the budget negotiations.
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« Reply #882 on: January 14, 2019, 09:10:21 am »

Speaker Norlen announces that he postpones the PM process by two days to allow for Löfven to gather enough support. So there will be a new Speaker round on Wednesday, then the Speaker will put forward his PM candidate. The vote will then be on Friday.

So now a few days to make an agreement as described by Lord Marbury above
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« Reply #883 on: January 16, 2019, 04:57:35 am »

Sjöstedt says that V will abstain in the vote on Friday and let Löfven form a government, with the threat that the party will put forward a vote of no confidence later in the term if the government presents proposals before parliament that would weaken the Employment Protection Act and liberalise rent control regulations for new flats.

I wonder how C and L will react to this since those two proposals were two of their biggest victories in the agreement with the Social Democrats.
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« Reply #884 on: January 18, 2019, 04:36:36 am »

Löfven elected PM with a S-MP government.  115 voted yes (S + MP), 77 voted blank (C+V+L), 153 voted against (M-SD-KD).

A fairly long government formation by Swedish standards. Despite C and L drawing out the negotiations quite a lot, the direction of travel seemed clear throughout the process. The two parties' ideological commitment to mass migration/opposition to SD meant that there seemed a very little chance of them accepting a Kristersson government. Even after the two times, they voted down Löfven there was no indication that they would turn towards Kristersson. So looking at the S-C-L-MP deal, you can argue that S should/could have negotiated even tougher as C/L were never likely to choose another PM than him, and a new election looked likely to develop favourably for S and the centre-left. However, the final declaration of whether they conceded too much can probably only be made after the government has come to an end and its policies can be judged. Several of the proposed policies in the agreement are meant to go to commissions etc., and then a real agreement on the specifics are to be reached.
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