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« Reply #1125 on: September 26, 2016, 04:20:43 am »

Podemos rips the agreement with the PSOE in Castilla-La Mancha

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2016/09/26/actualidad/1474878315_387940.html
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« Reply #1126 on: September 26, 2016, 07:32:52 am »

Any chance of Sanchez being ousted before a third election?
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« Reply #1127 on: September 26, 2016, 10:18:56 am »

Basque Country (99.9%)
EAJ/PNV 29; EH Bildu 17; Podemos 11; PSE-EE 9; PP 9

Galicia (95.4%)
PP 41; En Marea 14; PSOE 14; BNG 6
Massive failure for anti-PP opposition. Problems inside En Marea between En Marea, Anova and Podemos barred a large breakthrough and Feijóo was able to separate from national PP.
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« Reply #1128 on: September 27, 2016, 04:22:45 am »

Pedro Sánchez puts PSOE leadership to the vote:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/09/27/inenglish/1474963418_796797.html

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Regional elections held in Galicia and the Basque Country on Sunday have done nothing to clear up the political scenario in Spain, where in all probability voters will soon be asked to go to the polls again for a record third time.

Following the Socialist Party (PSOE)’s dismal results in both regions, party leader Pedro Sánchez has decided to put his leadership to the vote at a party conference on October 23.

   
Regional elections held in Galicia and the Basque Country on Sunday have done nothing to clear up the political scenario in Spain, where in all probability voters will soon be asked to go to the polls again for a record third time.

Following the Socialist Party (PSOE)’s dismal results in both regions, party leader Pedro Sánchez has decided to put his leadership to the vote at a party conference on October 23.
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The Socialist Party is split between those who feel it should let Rajoy form a government and those who refuse to do so

Until the leadership question is put to bed, the PSOE will not be engaging in further cross-party talks to reach a deal that might pull Spain out of the political deadlock that has plagued the country since December of last year.

But because of the way Spanish voting legislation works, the current Congress has been in a countdown ever since it held an investiture session in early September to choose a new prime minister.

The acting PM, Mariano Rajoy, lost his re-election bid after being voted down by all other forces in the chamber, and this in turn created a two-month deadline to either find a new PM or have the king dissolve parliament and call new elections.

This means that politicians will only have one week – from October 23 to October 31 – to conduct cross-party negotiations that might save Spaniards from going to the polls again on December 25, a full year after the original general election of December 20, 2015 (...)
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« Reply #1129 on: September 28, 2016, 11:27:47 pm »

Open war in the PSOE. The rebellion against Pedro Sánchez marks one of the party's darkest hours.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2016/09/28/inenglish/1475086379_198758.html
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« Reply #1130 on: September 29, 2016, 06:34:13 am »

Catalan premier Carles Puigdemont undertakes the preparation of a "binding referendum" in 2017. The CUP (far-left, pro-independence) advocated an unilateral consultation as a pressure measurement on the regional government. Mr Puigdemont is facing a motion of confidence in the Parliament of Catalonia; likely he will pass it with the CUP support.

Meanwhile the PSOE is splitted in two and faces a dark future, embroiled in internal war and legal disputes.
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« Reply #1131 on: September 29, 2016, 07:25:13 am »

Wait isn't Gonzalez a complete crook? Why does he still have influence within the PSOE?
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« Reply #1132 on: September 29, 2016, 08:09:11 pm »

Wait isn't Gonzalez a complete crook? Why does he still have influence within the PSOE?

Aside a crook, Felipe González is an historic leader and probably the most relevant figure of the democratic period begun in 1977. He served as PM from 1982 to 1996 and, with its lights and its shadows, his tenure was one of modernization of the country. The man is a living legend for many socialists and Pablo Iglesias made a mistake attacking him in the Congress of Deputies during the failed investiture of Pedro Sánchez. Even those socialists who don't side now with the friend of Carlos Slim and former PM are going to feel that an attack on González is an attack on PSOE.
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« Reply #1133 on: September 29, 2016, 08:27:46 pm »

Wait isn't Gonzalez a complete crook? Why does he still have influence within the PSOE?

Aside a crook, Felipe González is an historic leader and probably the most relevant figure of the democratic period begun in 1977. He served as PM from 1982 to 1996 and, with its lights and its shadows, his tenure was one of modernization of the country. The man is a living legend for many socialists and Pablo Iglesias made a mistake attacking him in the Congress of Deputies during the failed investiture of Pedro Sánchez. Even those socialists who don't side now with the friend of Carlos Slim and former PM are going to feel that an attack on González is an attack on PSOE.

Just a minor clarification, both for the Spanish speakers and for the rest. "Relevante" in Spanish does not have the same meaning as "relevant" in English. "Relevante" means "crucially important". "Relevant", of course, means "having something to do with". So, Felipe Gonzalez has, indeed, been a super-important player in Spanish history - not a somewhat obscure figure that may be suggested by the choice of the English word.
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« Reply #1134 on: September 30, 2016, 03:38:53 am »

I meant "crucial" or "important". "Relevant" is a false friend. Thanks for the clarification and sorry for the bad wording.
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« Reply #1135 on: September 30, 2016, 10:56:25 am »

It seems that if there is a third election this winter and the PSOE is in the shape it is in today the PP should emerge with a majority by itself and Podemos  would become the main Leftist opposition party.  PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.
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« Reply #1136 on: September 30, 2016, 12:06:19 pm »

PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

In which terms? Unconditional surrender? After this coup, the PSOE's ability to make an acceptable deal with the PP has dropped to zero. On the other hand, Rajoy wanted a third election from minute one. 
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« Reply #1137 on: September 30, 2016, 12:13:54 pm »

It seems that if there is a third election this winter and the PSOE is in the shape it is in today the PP should emerge with a majority by itself and Podemos  would become the main Leftist opposition party.  PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

How would tying themselves to one of the most corrupt and disliked governments in the Western world make PSOE more likely to retain their status as the main Leftist opposition? We have the example of PASOK who suffered for doing exactly what you're proposing to point to the contrary.
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« Reply #1138 on: September 30, 2016, 12:45:14 pm »

PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

In which terms? Unconditional surrender? After this coup, the PSOE's ability to make an acceptable deal with the PP has dropped to zero. On the other hand, Rajoy wanted a third election from minute one. 

I agree it might be too late but it should work something like this: PSOE will say "we will abstain for the greater good of Spain and the Spanish people if the PP government would implement policies A B and C.  If PP rejects this deal then it is on PP that a third election will take place."  As it is where it is unconditional non-support of a PP government puts the pressure and blame on PSOE for a lack of government.  I do think it might be too late for this as this revolt has robbed PSOE leverage to do something like this and look credible. 
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« Reply #1139 on: October 01, 2016, 02:51:13 pm »

Españoles...Sanchez ha dimitido.
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« Reply #1140 on: October 01, 2016, 03:22:04 pm »

Is Diaz expected to venture out of her fiefdom to take over the PSOE leadership one day?
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« Reply #1141 on: October 01, 2016, 03:52:20 pm »

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« Reply #1142 on: October 02, 2016, 08:30:37 am »

Even if PSOE now offers to abstain under its new leadership paving the way for a PP government, is there not a chance that PP will maneuver things in a way to provoke a third election anyway just to take advantage of the current split in PSOE? 
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« Reply #1143 on: October 02, 2016, 09:55:49 am »

Even if PSOE now offers to abstain under its new leadership paving the way for a PP government, is there not a chance that PP will maneuver things in a way to provoke a third election anyway just to take advantage of the current split in PSOE?  

The whole PSOE manoeuvre seems to be based on the idea that the PP would like third elections and that now with Sanchez out of the way, they can call PP's bluff. Previously, PSOE was getting a lot of the blame for the current crisis and for pandering to ''unconstitutional'' forces. Its clear Rajoy wants an absolute majority, but from what I gather from the articles he'll be happy to govern with C's.

A PP-C's minority government is a one way ticket to Catalan unilateral declaration of independence IMO.

I'm still unsure what exactly PSOE's short or long term strategy is. THey are going to get PASOK'd.
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« Reply #1144 on: October 02, 2016, 09:59:22 am »

Españoles...Sanchez ha dimitido.

I am not sure many non-Spaniards appreciate this, but I do Smiley
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« Reply #1145 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:32 am »

(Bloomberg) -- Acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s Popular Party would win 159 seats in the 350-seat parliament, up from 137, according to poll by GAD3 published by newspaper ABC.
Socialist Party would fall to 18.6% vs 22.7% in previous elections, seats would decline to 68 from current 85
Podemos coalition would be down to 20.8% from 21.1%, w/ 69 seats from 71
Ciudadanos would fall to 11.9% from 13.1% and its seats in parliament would drop to 25 from 32
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« Reply #1146 on: October 16, 2016, 12:55:25 pm »

Question: how close were PACMA to getting into parliament last election? They seem terminally unlucky in getting healthy results that are far too evenly distributed to get seats.
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« Reply #1147 on: October 22, 2016, 12:21:57 pm »

Question: how close were PACMA to getting into parliament last election? They seem terminally unlucky in getting healthy results that are far too evenly distributed to get seats.

The threshold to get into parliament is at 3%, although in practice it's needed a higher vote share in all the constituencies except Madrid and Barcelona.

In the last election PACMA got 1.8% in Barcelona and 1.13% in Madrid, so they fell short by 1.2% and 1.87% respectively. 
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« Reply #1148 on: October 22, 2016, 06:19:10 pm »

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned Sad
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« Reply #1149 on: October 22, 2016, 06:34:25 pm »

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned Sad

The one in the Canary Islands hasn't.

Hmmm...
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