Spanish elections and politics

[Velasco]

I think they are in a bad place to force Rajoy's ouster, but their result admittedly is not that bad. C's is losing only 1% of the vote share, while UP is losing 3.3%, PSOE gains 0.8% but losing seats in the final stages of the count and PP is 4.1% up

[Vosem]

Down in the weeds for a moment, Tarragona's very amusing six-way tie from 2015 seems like it has repeated itself.

PP/C's are at 169, to PSOE/UP's 156. Including non-Catalonian right-wing regionalists, PP/C's/PNV/PNC is at 175 exactly. Gain one more seat, and the PP-led (but of necessity Rajoy-excluding) right-wing coalition comes into very clear view.

[DavidB.]

With PP and C's now having 169 virtual seats, what are the chances of such a coalition + some other MPs being formed?

[jaichind]

It is hard to argue for Rajoy to go since this is the third election in a row where he led PP to be the largest party in terms of seats and votes.

[jaichind]

96% in

PP           32.95%       137
PSOE       22.77%        85
Podemos  21.13%        71 
C             12.97%        32

PP and C continue to gain from PSOE.  Podemos losing ground very slowing.

[Velasco]

Down in the weeds for a moment, Tarragona's very amusing six-way tie from 2015 seems like it has repeated itself.

Yes, it's quite amusing. Inside Tarragona province, the different areas vote in a dissimilar way.

PP considers that the result has been a "success" and , according to El País, waits that a weakened PSOE lets Rajoy to govern.

[Dereich]

It is hard to argue for Rajoy to go since this is the third election in a row where he led PP to be the largest party in terms of seats and votes.

In the most recent poll I could find, Rajoy's net approval rating was -44. He has presided over a large number of corruption scandals. He's even been declared persona non grata by his hometown legislature. No leader with an ounce of sense will ever agree to join him in government. C's, especially, would suffer with the voters who chose them as an alternative to PP and PSOE corruption and aren't willing to support PODEMOS radicalism.

[Velasco]

Pablo Iglesias: "results are not satisfactory for us". He said that "political maturity" has to do with managing the good and the bad moments, denies that Podemos has a ceiling and assures that it will go out for victory in the next elections. Iglesias does not regret not having backed the agreement between PSOE and C's because there are programmatic incompatibilities between Podemos and PP or C's.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

How the hell it is possible that Spanish electoral commissions needed only 3.5 hours to count all votes? Do you have any texts in English about counting system in Spain?

http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es

I remember that last elections also it was fast but still for me this is unbelievable.

[jaichind]

98% in

PP           32.99%       137
PSOE       22.71%        85
Podemos  21.12%        71  
C             13.01%        32

C crosses 13%

[jaichind]

How the hell it is possible that Spanish electoral commissions needed only 3.5 hours to count all votes? Do you have any texts in English about counting system in Spain?

http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es

I remember that last elections also it was fast but still for me this is unbelievable.

Yes, what is amazing is that they are 69% counted after one hour of counting.

[Vosem]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

[Velasco]

How the hell it is possible that Spanish electoral commissions needed only 3.5 hours to count all votes? Do you have any texts in English about counting system in Spain?

http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es

I remember that last elections also it was fast but still for me this is unbelievable.

It seems that Spain is more advanced in that regard than other western countries. If I'm able to find some text in English on the counting system, I'll put a link or something

[Velasco]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

What is PNC? Canary Coalition?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

What is PNC? Canary Coalition?

Yeah.

How the hell it is possible that Spanish electoral commissions needed only 3.5 hours to count all votes? Do you have any texts in English about counting system in Spain?

http://resultados2016.infoelecciones.es/99CO/DCO99999TO.htm?lang=es

I remember that last elections also it was fast but still for me this is unbelievable.

It seems that Spain is more advanced in that regard than other western countries. If I'm able to find some text in English on the counting system, I'll put a link or something

I would be grateful!

[Bacon King]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

I don't think that coalition would be remotely feasible in the slightest?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

>PP
>Basque nationalists

Pick one.

[jaichind]

99% in

PP           33.01%       137
PSOE       22.68%        85
Podemos  21.11%        71  
C             13.04%        32

PP crosses 33%

[Double Carpet]

Spain counts at polling stations (like most countries), which is why it's so fast - but even allowing for that it's faster than most other large countries.

Austria and Denmark also count quickly but are obviously much smaller.

[ag]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

I don't think that coalition would be remotely feasible in the slightest?

I mean, other than being right-wing, PNV these days is not a very good partner for either PP or C. It might ask for things for the Basques that would not be acceptable  for either of the 2 other partners. In any case, so far they are still one seat short.

[Vosem]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

I don't think that coalition would be remotely feasible in the slightest?

Why's that? PNV and PNC both have histories of backing PP governments when Aznar was President (and are basically right-wing parties), and the relations haven't changed since that time. CiU also backed Aznar, but since their descendant party is pro-Catalan independence I don't think PP can find any support there.

C's -- in addition to also being a right-wing force -- have said they'll only negotiate with PP if the leader is not Rajoy, which seems like the biggest problem to this coalition if they can get up to an actual majority with the final results.

What other option is even remotely capable of approaching government formation?

[jaichind]

Looks like PP increased its majority in the Senate from 124 to 130 with 78% of the votes counted.

[Vosem]

98.06% counted. PP/C's/PNV/PNC still at 175. One additional vote still necessary for the formation of a right-wing government.

>PP
>Basque nationalists

Pick one.

What's changed since 1996, when the PNV supported Aznar's first investiture vote?

[ag]

Frankly, it is hard to see of any majority government here, other than the grand coalition of PP-PSOE. And I have no clue why PSOE would agree to enter such a government.

The only other plausible coalition is PSOE-Podemos-CC: and there are still no reasons to believe it would work any better than before this election.

[jaichind]

Podemos now down 4.9% in Madrid while C only down around 1%.