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« on: July 22, 2015, 06:06:41 am »

Is there any possibility that govt/His Majesty King of Spain will use army to secure Catalonia and beat up potential traitors?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2015, 06:20:38 am »

The best solution is to divide Spain into Aragon and Castile in permanent personal union.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 10:17:00 am »

That is pretty sad that rampaging nationalism is going to win again.
Sorry for a little bit offtop but I was just curious if this is even possible for king to use army in case of rebellion.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 02:44:25 pm »

Sorry, but the king cannot use the army. He's the supreme commander of the armed forces, but Spain is a constitutional monarchy and that title is merely symbolic: the Spanish government holds the executive power. On the other hand, sending the army would be the surest way to lose Catalonia. After the revolt in the XVII century there was a complicated conflict involving France and several battles, but Catalonia returned to Spain basically through negotiation... except the Roussillon and part of the Cerdagne, a patch of the Catalan Countries which was lost to the French neighbours.


Thanks for answer. I thought that at least in case of military king have anything to say.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 04:57:24 pm »

It may be farfetched conclusion but I think that there is a place for multi-regional party which will be to the right from PP and serve as an eventual ally (Portuguese variant) for them.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2015, 01:21:53 pm »

Great post(s), thank you for it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 09:10:42 am »

Spain is strange country.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 01:18:41 pm »


For me Ciudadanos are rather centre-left not centre right. But that is the matter of different perspective probably.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 02:26:15 pm »

El Pais were leading today with a story on Rajoy backing a PP-C's coalition, which I think is what put people off oranges. Why would you buy oranges only to realise they are filled with bland, tastless water?  

I'm going to go ahead and predict a PP minority government.

Scholarly text on Ciudadanos, in case anyone's interested: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13608746.2015.1119646

Thanks, I think I'll write a paper on the rise of post-nationalist parties, using FDF, Ciudadanos, D66. Any others like Ciudadanos in Europe?


I guess any liberal (both socially and economically) party in Europe. Like .nowoczesna in Poland. In published today poll by IBRIS they got... 30%. They increased their support by 20% during one month so I guess it is a rise. But this is special case, probably not connected with any global process.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 07:27:31 pm »

I feel kinda sad that "pop" Podemos has such big support and old-school communists now have only 4% in polls. Eh, postpolitics :I
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 02:01:04 pm »

So Podemos more votes than PSOE but less MPs? Lol.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 02:11:08 pm »

http://www.rtve.es/directo/canal-24h/
Link from the previous page : )
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 02:51:48 pm »

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Some exit polls for Catalonia and Basque Country.
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 03:10:04 pm »

Podemos (or rather Podem) + Allies.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 03:32:08 pm »

32,71% counted

PP 121
PSOE 95
Podemos 54
C's 31
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 03:37:58 pm »

32,71% counted

PP 121
PSOE 95
Podemos 54
C's 31

Should not COMPROMÍS-PODEMOS-ÉS EL MOMENT also count toward the Podemos ?

They should, missed them.

40,10%
PP 118
PSOE 96
Podemos 64
C's 31
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 03:49:52 pm »

52,04%

PP 124, PSOE 96, Podemos 64, Ciudadanos 31, DL 9, ERC 9, PNV 6, IU 2

I am amazed how fast they are counting that votes, in Poland we have partial results after midnight or later :I
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 03:55:59 pm »

62% counted, no way. How is it possible? HOW (rhetoric question).
PP 125, PSOE 94, Podemos 62, Ciudadanos 34

Orange water up.
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2015, 04:02:37 pm »

62% counted, no way. How is it possible? HOW (rhetoric question).
PP 125, PSOE 94, Podemos 62, Ciudadanos 34

Orange water up.
PP+C = 159
PSOE+Pod = 156

Podemos has 69 not 62.

As for 66,78% counted they still have 62.
PP 123 PSOE 94 C's 36
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2015, 04:10:31 pm »

I am disgusted by the speed of votes counting. Seriously.
75%
PPC's - 160, PSOEDEMOS - 162
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 04:20:46 pm »

80%
PPC's - 160 PSOE-Pod. 161
UPyD still loses to the animal party with cute cow/bull on logo
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2015, 04:34:06 pm »

That map on El Pais looks bad. Why people do such things. Worse than UK map made from hexes on BBC as far as I remember.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2015, 12:11:21 pm »

https://team.cartodb.com/u/piensaenpixel/viz/2016460c-a7c5-11e5-90ff-0e98b61680bf/embed_map


Very nice map, very detailed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2016, 01:19:40 pm »

Eh, imagine if Sixtus Henry would be on the throne. I do not understand why Spanish people do not support Carlism : (( You even have that funny Maoist-Carlist party, for all those lefties who votes on PSOE or Podemos.
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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2016, 03:45:51 am »

I wonder who might be "2" PP voter? What type of person?
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