Federal Employees Labor Relations Act of 2014 (Vetoed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

tl;dr Yankee

Mission Accomplished!

[Cranberry]

I hope that the President offers a redraft, and not simply issues a veto. I am more than willing to discuss probable changes of a redraft, but I will of principle never support a veto, that might again be the pinko European in me. (in the sense of "muh legislative decisions be left alone by executive!!1!!)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I hope that the President offers a redraft, and not simply issues a veto. I am more than willing to discuss probable changes of a redraft, but I will of principle never support a veto, that might again be the pinko European in me. (in the sense of "muh legislative decisions be left alone by executive!!1!!)

blah blah blah checks and balances blah.

Oh snap, I just stole TNF's material.

[Cranberry]

I hope that the President offers a redraft, and not simply issues a veto. I am more than willing to discuss probable changes of a redraft, but I will of principle never support a veto, that might again be the pinko European in me. (in the sense of "muh legislative decisions be left alone by executive!!1!!)

blah blah blah checks and balances blah.

Oh snap, I just stole TNF's material.

Do you really want a reply to this?

[Lumine]

Right, I've taken my time to meditate and I will take action on this bill later today.

[Lumine]

I tried my best to issue a redraft, but the more I tried the more I realized that Section 2 was always going to go and all my attempts to change Section 1 ended destroying the purpose of the original sponsor.

I cannot and I will not support the idea of giving some unions enough power to bring down the federal government and interrupt crucial services (some of them involving lives at stake). I prefer to stand up for what I believe, and so I issue a presidential veto.

Veto: February 10th:

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[TNF]

Motion to overturn the veto.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I hope that the President offers a redraft, and not simply issues a veto. I am more than willing to discuss probable changes of a redraft, but I will of principle never support a veto, that might again be the pinko European in me. (in the sense of "muh legislative decisions be left alone by executive!!1!!)

blah blah blah checks and balances blah.

Oh snap, I just stole TNF's material.

Do you really want a reply to this?

But no checks and balances means tyranny something something.

Europe also has quite a bit of examples of tyrannical assemblies, particularly just to the South back in the good ole days.

Though I should note this nortion is hardly European. NC had no veto for over a century until it was restablished in the early 1990's (redistricting exempted because whilst a Republican may get Governor, Dems will never lose the assembly. That's just crazy!!!). Though that situation wasn't motivated by pinko Europeanism but racism.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I will support upholding the veto. Some arrangement might be possilbe, but certainly not allowing striking by critical gov't employees.

[Lief 🗽]

I will of course be voting to overturn the veto. Federal workers deserve the same basic rights as every other worker in this great country.

[bore]

Senators a vote is now open on overriding Lumine's veto, please vote aye nay or abstain

[TNF]

AYE

[Lief 🗽]

Aye

[windjammer]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY

There is no way for any negotiation between gov't and doctors or police threatening to go on strike can end in a balanced result that works not just for the police but also for society and taxpayers. The relationship is different and thus it is impossible to take the same approach with them as you would with workers in a private enterprize.

[bore]

Nay

For the reasons I gave for voting against this originally.

[Senator Cris]

Nay

[SWE]

Aye

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

NAY

This Bill needs a total re-write

[Cranberry]

Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

The Hapsburgs created and preserved Austria (indirectly). Without them Merkel would be your Chancellor.

[bore]

By a vote of 4-4 (Cranberries vote was a little too late), the veto override has failed, and, consequently, the bill has failed.

Aye: TNF, Windjammer, Lief, SWE

Nay: Yankee, Cris, Bore, Polnut

Not Voting: BK, Cranberry

[Cranberry]

Well, yeah. SWE voted for the override, though; so it's 4-4 I believe.

Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

The Hapsburgs created and preserved Austria (indirectly). Without them Merkel would be your Chancellor.

We all know I meant that

[bore]

Well, yeah. SWE voted for the override, though; so it's 4-4 I believe.

Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

The Hapsburgs created and preserved Austria (indirectly). Without them Merkel would be your Chancellor.

We all know I meant that

Thanks, that's corrected now

[Lumine]

Does the 72-hour period apply here as well?

If not, well, AYE

Hate me for it, but I oppose the process of vetoing bills in principle. Probably that's just as I come from a parliamentary democracy, a country where that single figure outside the legislative that we call President has just no power whatsoever (understandable when you know our history), where all legislative decisions are completely left to the Legislative. Well, yeah.

The Pinko European strikes again, I guess.

It's funny, because in part the history of my country plays a large role in my belief in a strong executive (given that Chile has been presidentialist during most of its time, and I happen to admire the politician who consolidated that system in the consitution). Presidents can make awful mistakes here, but every time the Legislative power gains the upper hand things really go downhill, xD

Either way, excellent news!