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« on: April 23, 2005, 02:15:39 pm »



Biggest surprises: Pakistan and Rwanda
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 02:29:17 pm »

They're listing China? Er...not really comparable is it?
In India, the figure of female parliamentarians has actually been slowly falling since the 1950's, with minor ups and downs.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 02:33:25 pm »

Doesn't Iraq have a 33% female requirement for their lists?
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2005, 02:33:33 pm »

They're listing China? Er...not really comparable is it?
In India, the figure of female parliamentarians has actually been slowly falling since the 1950's, with minor ups and downs.
Since 1996, there has been talk of setting a 33% quota for women in Parliament, but nothing seems to have actually been done.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2005, 07:09:29 pm »

Rwanda is not a surprise, because I already knew they were #1. (I analayzed this for a Women's studies essay)
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 11:42:19 pm »

What's the point of this thread?
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2005, 11:43:07 pm »


To point out how backward the US is compared to great world powers like Rwanda, Cuba, and Sweden.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2005, 11:45:40 pm »


To point out how backward the US is compared to great world powers like Rwanda, Cuba, and Sweden.

I was asking the poll giver, but it was a rhetorical question anyways. So we don't have as many women in our Congress(we don't have a parliament, damnit!) - it's not like they can't run.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2005, 11:48:52 pm »

well you got to take into account what type of electoral systems are used in those countries. Lists and proportional representation are naturally going to end up with much more women. Including non-democratic countries is kind of pointless since all parlimentarians there are basically appointed and thus one can easily make almost half women to appear as egalitarian as possible. That's the reason for Rwanda by the way, after Tutsi rebel groups ended the genocide they set up their own government and while it's fairly autocratic and non-democratic it's a hell of a lot better than what the country had before, not that nothing would be.

Anyone seen Hotel Rwanda btw? I just did some rentals and almost got it. How good is it?
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 11:00:35 am »

The US doesnt have a "parliament".
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 11:04:36 am »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".

Next thing you'll be claiming the US doesn't have a Head of State, they only have a President...

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 11:09:05 am »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 12:53:42 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 01:03:02 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy

Bill Richardson... a "white" male?

Point. Its easy to forget that with such a name. Smiley And he was succeeded by two white males, Bill Redmond and Tom Udall, in the most 'minority' of districts. Wink Mind you, I bring this up because the NM Dems bitch about having no Hispanics in Federal office... *looks at Udall* *looks at Bingaman* ...uh, sure, pal, whatever. Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2005, 01:36:38 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy

Bill Richardson... a "white" male?

Governor is a federal office?
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2005, 01:41:04 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy

Bill Richardson... a "white" male?

Governor is a federal office?

He represented the 3rd CD for many years before going to become Clinton's UN Ambassador and later Secretary of Energy. He will most likely become a U.S. Senator at the first opportunity.

He wants to be President or Vice President. I can't see him settling for Senator...I mean, he wouldn't be able to order things at whim. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2005, 01:49:26 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy

Bill Richardson... a "white" male?

Governor is a federal office?

He represented the 3rd CD for many years before going to become Clinton's UN Ambassador and later Secretary of Energy. He will most likely become a U.S. Senator at the first opportunity.

But I believe he falls outside of the range of the "last 2" officials.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2005, 01:53:27 pm »

Well, you should know. I haven't lived there since 2000.
You've missed the reign of 'King Bill', then...the Democrats in the Legislature are so his bitches. They'll do anything he asks, no matter how hypocritical it makes them look ('we're opposed to even a shred of voter ID!' KB: 'I support a limited form of voter ID.' 'okay, we're not opposed to even a shred of voter ID...'). He actually swiped control of half the capital outlay money from them and they just rolled over and took it. After that, anybody from either party who dares defy him gets their capital outlay money for their district line-item vetoed. The NM Dems actually found a way to make me think less of them. Wink

So why would King Bill give that up to be one equal among a hundred?
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2005, 01:55:19 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
New Mexico irony: the last two 'minorities' in federal office were both Republicans: Heather Wilson (female, duh) and Manuel Lujan (Hispanic, also duh). All the Democrats are white males. Cheesy

Bill Richardson... a "white" male?

Governor is a federal office?

He represented the 3rd CD for many years before going to become Clinton's UN Ambassador and later Secretary of Energy. He will most likely become a U.S. Senator at the first opportunity.

But I believe he falls outside of the range of the "last 2" officials.

He was in Congress after Manny Lujan had left to become Secretary of Interior under George H.W. Bush. I think he still qualifies.

New Fed is right - I had my order wrong. Richardson came after Lujan - although there was an overlap period where both of them served at the same time - and before Wilson.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2005, 02:10:15 pm »

Is Richard Romero still the Majority Leader in the Senate? If so, I am surprised and disappointed that he does nothing about all this!
He ran against Wilson in 2002 and 2004 but lost both times, obviously. He had to not run for re-election in 2004 (when his State Senate seat was up) in order to go for the re-match, so he's not in office at the moment. His seat is now held by an ultra-leftist who I despise. Angry
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2005, 02:53:51 am »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
BRTD's point about party control is correct (although MP's are not simply "appointed" by their party, it's a bit more complicated than that). But that's got nothing to do with the name of the US' parliament. The British parliament is fptp too (although parties have more control on who gets nominated).

Pakistan uses first past the post too btw. And that Pakistani parliament is full of Islamists.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2005, 12:26:00 pm »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
BRTD's point about party control is correct (although MP's are not simply "appointed" by their party, it's a bit more complicated than that). But that's got nothing to do with the name of the US' parliament. The British parliament is fptp too (although parties have more control on who gets nominated).

Pakistan uses first past the post too btw. And that Pakistani parliament is full of Islamists.
Yeah, I over simplified.  But there's a reason why Pakistan has had a female PM, while the U.S. has not had a female president, and that reason has a lot more to do with political process than culture.
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2005, 01:30:15 am »

Of course they do. Its name is "Congress". The Lower House of Parliament is called "House of Representatives" and the Upper House is called "Senate".
No, actually we don't have a parliament.  BRTD's point is dead-on: if Congressmen in the U.S. were simply appointed by the party we would have way more women and minorities in office.
BRTD's point about party control is correct (although MP's are not simply "appointed" by their party, it's a bit more complicated than that). But that's got nothing to do with the name of the US' parliament. The British parliament is fptp too (although parties have more control on who gets nominated).

Pakistan uses first past the post too btw. And that Pakistani parliament is full of Islamists.
Yeah, I over simplified.  But there's a reason why Pakistan has had a female PM, while the U.S. has not had a female president, and that reason has a lot more to do with political process than culture.

In India, Indonesia, and the Philipinnes, women have become head of state as daughters of previously prominent male heads of state or politicians, following a tradition dating back at least to Elizabeth I. Interestingly, Hillary is the front runner among women in the US by far, due to her own familial relationship. Nature has a certain way of intruding in our carefully constructed sociology.

Tansu Ciller of Turkey is the only completely self-made woman to become head of state in a muslim country, as far as I know.

Still, it is interesting that the 3 largest muslim nations in the world have had female heads of state (India has the most muslims), all less than 50 years after the birth of those nations.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2005, 11:44:28 am »

Tansu Ciller of Turkey is the only completely self-made woman to become head of state in a muslim country, as far as I know.
What was Bhutto's story?  That wasn't a family connection, was it?
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2005, 01:19:42 pm »

Tansu Ciller of Turkey is the only completely self-made woman to become head of state in a muslim country, as far as I know.
What was Bhutto's story?  That wasn't a family connection, was it?

Her dad was PM of Pakistan too.
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