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« on: February 15, 2015, 01:17:44 pm »

How about we me memoralize a poster whom actually deserves it? M'kay?
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 02:00:50 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 02:08:16 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 02:50:02 pm »

Deluded hashtag Democrats cheerily joining a disturbing coalition of gay men, beer-swilling crackers and dowdy soccer moms. At least the latter two groups know that Clinton is temperamentally and philosophically a Republican.

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 03:39:51 pm »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2015, 03:54:33 pm »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.

Seriously. And as much as Spade could make excellent points (when he occassionally would refrain from being needlessly cryptic or an outright a**hole), the above posts don't belong anywhere near ANY thread, let alone a 'Good Post Gallery'

Come to thing of it, that'll be fixed momentarily.....
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 03:57:06 pm »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2015, 04:11:17 pm »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.
Did you see the one above yours? That was a good post.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2015, 05:22:42 pm »

Oh my God we're back at it again. Post these one-liners in the Lief Reservoir, please.
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2015, 05:38:31 pm »

Oh my God we're back at it again. Post these one-liners in the Lief Reservoir, please.

I love the bureaucracy we've created around post quality organization.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2015, 01:52:13 am »

Is this the sort of thing we're supposed to put in here?

Just let it go.  Pressing the issue is no reason to create even more unhappiness for you and for your family (which it will).  Maybe Torie's suggestion of a letter will work, but I'm not so sure.

Without knowing your entire situation, are you separate from them financially?  If so, then you should (1) really let it go or (2) tell them and be willing to accept the possibility that they'll shut you out of their life permanently - you have to be emotionally ready for that.

If you are not separate from them financially, you should aim for creating a situation for yourself where you are not reliant on them in this way, otherwise you could be shoved again into the same bad situation as you were 17.

Perhaps as the supposed gay-hater role I play with a certain amount of seriousness in the points I make sometimes, I can tell you this with some honesty.  Your parents and your sister would prefer you being gay and not knowing a whit about it, your lifestyle or even the fact that you are, as opposed to knowing about it and more importantly, throwing it in their faces.  

Always remember that, unless, of course, you don't really care about your relationship with them emotionally.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2015, 02:03:44 am »

Is this the sort of thing we're supposed to put in here?

Just let it go.  Pressing the issue is no reason to create even more unhappiness for you and for your family (which it will).  Maybe Torie's suggestion of a letter will work, but I'm not so sure.

Without knowing your entire situation, are you separate from them financially?  If so, then you should (1) really let it go or (2) tell them and be willing to accept the possibility that they'll shut you out of their life permanently - you have to be emotionally ready for that.

If you are not separate from them financially, you should aim for creating a situation for yourself where you are not reliant on them in this way, otherwise you could be shoved again into the same bad situation as you were 17.

Perhaps as the supposed gay-hater role I play with a certain amount of seriousness in the points I make sometimes, I can tell you this with some honesty.  Your parents and your sister would prefer you being gay and not knowing a whit about it, your lifestyle or even the fact that you are, as opposed to knowing about it and more importantly, throwing it in their faces.  

Always remember that, unless, of course, you don't really care about your relationship with them emotionally.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2015, 07:23:26 am »

Well, I'm glad to be the first poster to publish a legitimate entry:

My histtorical analysis of Martin Van Buren has very little do with his anti-slavery views.  It had more to do wiith Antonio V's conclusions.  Slavery was too much of a grey area issue that involved everyone from moralistic Puritans to Know Nothings to German Marxists.  Any objective historian should mention the Puritan work ethic (hardly a liberal philosophy) alongside the "Commuunist Manifesto reasing radicals" when discussing it.

In regards to big government vs. small government I believe that is an oversimplification of old school politics.  You ask any random Democratic politician why they are Democrats I doubt very many of them will say "well because they happen to be the liberal party at the moment."  Very few people go into politics thinking that their political party could "change sides" at any moment (blue dogs and "moderate" New Englanders are the exceptions, not the rule).  If you asked most Democratic officeholders why they are Democrats you will more than likely hear something along the lines of "the Democratic Party is the party of the working class", "Democrats fight for the poor", etc. etc. etc..  This is the point that gets missed alot, but what has changed over the past hundred and fifty years is not the ends of liberalism, but the means.

You have to rememberr that for the vast majority of human history that oligarchial rule had been the rule and not the exception.  In Old Europe monarchs and their Parliaments (which were generally used to expand the influence and authority of rich landowners) used the power of government to institute regressive taxation to keep the poor in perpetual poverty (one of the causes of the French Revolution).  Further, laws like the Penal Laws used big government laws to disenfranchise and strip millions of people of many things we would consider basic political rights like free speech, the right to own property, the right to marry, and the right not to swear allegiance to the Anglican Church.
Government intervention was used far more on the side of the wealthy and powerful than it was to advance the cause of the disadvantaged up to that point in history.  Thus why small government back then was often viewed as a liberal view more so than a conservative one.  This attitude would be dominant in liberal psyche until about the early 20th century when liberals started adopting the socialistic (emphasis) arguments in favor of turning the "tool of the rich" against them.  It should be noted that as late as the 1910s that labor unions were skeptical of government intervention into the workplace (something that showed up in the aftermath of that New York City fire that the Democratically controlled (emphasis) New York Assembly passed workplace safety laws on).

As it regards American politics, policies like high tariffs were generally viewed as "the rich milking the poor" for good reason.  Free Trade has only become a conservative view in recent times due to the international workplace and globalization where any rich first world country can move operations overseas.  Back in the day it took months for trade shipments to reach port and the third world working conditions were happening in Lowell and not Laos (very hard to blame low tariffs for low pay in other words).  Factory workers were paid barely survivable wages while working inhumane hours while their robber baron bosses made hand over fist.  Protectionism in theory benefits the entire community, but the Gilded Age revealed it to be little more than a scheme for rich industrialists to force everyone poorer than them to buy their overpriced goods while providing very little benefits or pay improvements for their laborers (and thus why no sane economist recommends returning to it).  Free trade had such a strong following among the working class due to the idea that free and fair competition between domestic and foreign companies (remember, this was before globalization) would force domestic owners to increase worker wages in order to motivate labor to produce the best product at the lowest price possible (something Cleveland and Bryan agreed on).  Basically, the concept of perfect competition.

In regards to internal improvements, Democratic opposition to such improvement was widely based on the knowledge that said improvements would be made at the cost of the poor (crippling taxes and tariffs rarely felt by domestic industry but definitely by the poor farmer and laborer) for the benefit of the middle and upper classes (remember middle class is much smaller).  Further, working conditions on such projects were far from humane, as the several hundred strikes by Irish work gangs before the Civil War would show.
A comparison with the Keystone XL Pipeline could be made re: environmental impact.  Just because something is sold as "improving people's lives" don't mean it's "liberal".

Martin Van Buren, a master of New York machinery, an advocate of freer trade, who blamed the failings of the economy on a rich elite class of bankers, was hardly conservative.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2015, 09:32:06 am »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.

Seriously. And as much as Spade could make excellent points (when he occassionally would refrain from being needlessly cryptic or an outright a**hole), the above posts don't belong anywhere near ANY thread, let alone a 'Good Post Gallery'

Come to thing of it, that'll be fixed momentarily.....

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2015, 12:02:36 pm »

Posts like these are why I keep coming to the Atlas:

Okay, I'm going to address Vosem's interpretation of the Mines of Moria scene, because this is going to bother me if I don't.

What Gandalf is saying in that scene is not limited to a commentary on the relationship between Frodo specifically and Gollum specifically. 'Even the wise cannot see all ends' is a remarkable statement coming from Gandalf, who, we read in the Silmarillion, is the wisest of the Maiar, a class of beings that also includes such luminaries as Melian and Uinen. The point is that the sort of knowledge that would be necessary to say whether somebody 'deserves' to live or die is practically impossible to obtain!

I would never claim that the Tolkien canon is a pacifist set of texts, or even a death penalty abolitionist one. (It also has...uncomfortable racial and sexual politics.) But what it does say is that killing is to be understood as something that one sometimes does to make a problem go away NOW, not because one has come to some sort of certain, enforceable conclusion about what the person one is killing 'deserves'. (Again, in the Silmarillion we see that if somebody were to have just up and killed Maedhros and Maglor after the first couple rounds of Kinslaying, which they would have richly 'deserved' by most metrics, things would actually not have gone so well towards the end of the story! Elwing would have had no reason to throw herself into the sea, et cetera.)

tl;dr what Gandalf is saying is basically, as Tony Abbott might put it, that nobody, not even Gandalf himself, is the suppository of all wisdom, and that only somebody who was would be qualified to say whether or not killing somebody would be altogether 'just'. In Tolkien's worldview, this is nobody but God. In the worldviews of most forumites, it'd be either nobody but God or nobody at all.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2015, 02:39:56 am »

If due to my strong and wide-ranging disagreements with ag on other issues I had ever had any doubts about his value as a poster, this post would have removed them.

You continue to ignore the point that the market for execution pharmaceuticals is so small, it makes no sense to set up a company that does only that.  Were any of those companies you pointed out were to openly admit they did so, they'd lose so much other business that they'd lose money.

Also, where would the State of Texas obtain the precursor chemicals under your scenario? The ostracism that affects drug companies presently would affect their suppliers as well if they sold to Texas to make drugs for executions.  To set up the facilities that produced drugs and their precursor chemicals only for executions would be hideously expensive.  It's not as if even Texas is executing people at a rate that would make doing so feasible.

If the State of Texas believes it is important to kill people in that way, it should pay. It is not that every other part of the death penalty process were not hideously expensive. Why should the drugs be any cheaper than the death row?  What are a few million dollars here or there? I am sure they could endow a Chair of Human Poisoning in some public university within the state, and the happy Texan professor chosen to fill it would do proper supervision. There is no magic involved in production of pharmaceuticals - it is done by regular humans, you do not have to have gone to Hogwarts to do it. And the quantities, as you say, are small: you do not need to scale the process up from a university lab, and those are pretty good in producing appropriate compounds and testing for quality.

All this whining about "bad foreigners refusing to participate in how we kill people, so they are guilty of us doing this in a crueler fashion than we want to" is ridiculous. To begin with, those foreigners do not care a fig about HOW you kill people. It is YOU who are worrying about "humane" methods of execution: not them. Nobody wants you to kill people "less painfully" - they want you to stop killing people, period. If making this appear a medical procedure makes you sleep sounder, nobody else thinks this is a positive development: they do not want you to sleep after an execution at all. If it becomes very expensive - well, nobody else asked you to do it, it is your problem. If saving money is more important than sound sleep - well, fine, it is your decision, do it the way you like. Just stop whining that nobody else wants to take part in the performance. It is your show: you do the honors, you pay the bill, and you do your prayer to whatever gods you have. All up to you and your laws.  Just don“t get excited about others thinking you are barbarians for doing it: you said you do not care about it so many times, we all believe you.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2015, 10:31:54 am »

Wow, five posts in and not a single "good post" yet. This thread is off to a "good" start.

Seriously. And as much as Spade could make excellent points (when he occassionally would refrain from being needlessly cryptic or an outright a**hole), the above posts don't belong anywhere near ANY thread, let alone a 'Good Post Gallery'

Come to thing of it, that'll be fixed momentarily.....

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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2015, 10:50:43 am »

George my friend, it's times like this I wish I had ready access to a middle finger emoticon. Wink

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2015, 01:53:16 pm »

Posts like these are why I keep coming to the Atlas:

Okay, I'm going to address Vosem's interpretation of the Mines of Moria scene, because this is going to bother me if I don't.

What Gandalf is saying in that scene is not limited to a commentary on the relationship between Frodo specifically and Gollum specifically. 'Even the wise cannot see all ends' is a remarkable statement coming from Gandalf, who, we read in the Silmarillion, is the wisest of the Maiar, a class of beings that also includes such luminaries as Melian and Uinen. The point is that the sort of knowledge that would be necessary to say whether somebody 'deserves' to live or die is practically impossible to obtain!

I would never claim that the Tolkien canon is a pacifist set of texts, or even a death penalty abolitionist one. (It also has...uncomfortable racial and sexual politics.) But what it does say is that killing is to be understood as something that one sometimes does to make a problem go away NOW, not because one has come to some sort of certain, enforceable conclusion about what the person one is killing 'deserves'. (Again, in the Silmarillion we see that if somebody were to have just up and killed Maedhros and Maglor after the first couple rounds of Kinslaying, which they would have richly 'deserved' by most metrics, things would actually not have gone so well towards the end of the story! Elwing would have had no reason to throw herself into the sea, et cetera.)

tl;dr what Gandalf is saying is basically, as Tony Abbott might put it, that nobody, not even Gandalf himself, is the suppository of all wisdom, and that only somebody who was would be qualified to say whether or not killing somebody would be altogether 'just'. In Tolkien's worldview, this is nobody but God. In the worldviews of most forumites, it'd be either nobody but God or nobody at all.

From "Capital punishment in Pennsylvania" to "Lord of the Rings Literary Analysis" in two pages is also a very impressive derail
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 11:04:19 am »

Seriously? I mean, the natural extension of this is to ask what if there was no doctor available. So she would only have begrudgingly treated a child? At best?

If you're a doctor you have a responsibility that overrides (breathe Libertarians) your "rights". You don't want to risk interacting with people about whom you have a religious objections? F*** off somewhere else then.

She's a truly horrible person and no it's not because she thinks differently to me, or whatever weak an defenceless straw men you wish throw, it's because it was a basic dereliction of her responsibilities as an emergency physician - and whatever she believes about the parents, she had no right (not a specific constitutional right, so I guess I lose huh?  But a moral right) to refuse and pass on treatment on their baby.

For those who are defending her actions "hey, but she found a doctor to treat the baby" (or you know, she could have cut the crap and just done it herself) - I assume you'll be cool when you take your newborn to the hospital (btw, when infants are at their MOST vulnerable) and the Doctor goes "cha, you no wha? Uh uh... I don't like who you are" - I'll find someone else to care for your child .... 'cause her right to judge is more important that your child's immediate well-being?
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 04:39:02 pm »

Why was my inclusion here of one of this Gallery's namesake's posts deleted without being reported first?
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2015, 06:14:33 pm »

Why was my inclusion here of one of this Gallery's namesake's posts deleted without being reported first?

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2015, 10:02:00 pm »

Not true. I don't hate Susana Martinez, Brian Sandoval, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford. I don't even really hate Scott Walker. I just recognize the fact that he will not be elected President of the United States and that Hillary Clinton will be.

The real question is why do all these other Republicans lower their standards and accept these "people" like Ted Cruz in their party. They are the real phony sheep.



I can accept that you're a Republican, but I've never really seen you irritated by Democrats or Democratic policies.

If they went in an actually annoying liberal direction like labeling/banning GMOs, NIMBYizing America to protect the people's unfounded whims, going full isolationist in national security matters, raising tax rates to ridiculous amounts across the board, and seriously backing unionization of all workers, then I'd have a reason to be irritated. But what are the national Democrats really advocating for at the moment?

Establishing a website where private health insurers can compete for business? Simplifying the once complexly regulated health insurance industry so all plans are simply 4 choices? Tax credits for purchasing health insurance? 10.10/hr minimum wage? Eliminating the bureaucracy tied to our immigration system and allowing a clear path for naturalization?

The only really irritating thin is stalling the Keystone XL, which is a bit NIMBY, but at the same time, the Republican idea that it's some amazing thing that will create millions of jobs is really hyperbole, too. It should be approved simply because it's not worth caring about in either direction.

To be irritated by what they stand for is irrational. The Obama Administration really is perfectly reasonable for any fair-minded citizen. There's nothing remotely controversial about what he advocates at the moment. 

And on a personal level, I have a full time job, I can afford everything I want, and I don't feel like my tax burden is really a burden at all. In fact, I could probably live on $500 less a month if I had to do so. So what reason would I have, at this moment, to be aligning myself hardline with a national Republican Party that isn't interested in anything else but cutting taxes and complaining about a government that is too big? I don't experience this at all. Anger about this would be pure spite.
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 06:03:31 pm »

Interesting stuff. Reads more like a bad fanfic than anything, but interesting stuff nonetheless.

Where do we draw the line between crazy and not crazy though?

End times = Crazy. You must be off your rocker!

Coming back from the dead after 3 days = Not crazy
Virgin birth = Not crazy
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 06:15:14 pm »

Jesus F**king Christ Mint, get away from this thread.
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